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1996 1 Pound Coin - Upside Down Words?

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 Posted 03/11/2021  9:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I keep seeing sales on ebay for rare 1996 1 pound coins with upside down wording. From what I can gather it is referring to the wording on the edge. Someone also mentioned that the edge wording is applied prior to being dumped in the hopper for the obv and rev press. This causes a 50/50 mix in edge word orientation. If this correct? If so, they would not be rare or even worth more than face value. So why the hype?
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03/11/2021 9:26 pm
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 Posted 03/12/2021  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... because there are hundreds of sellers on ebay trying to make money out of nothing.

As ebay no longer pays any attention to reports of fraudulent or inaccurate descriptions, the site is awash with fakes and con-men. I have recently withdrawn my last few items for sale there, and unless things improve I don't think I will be back.
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This really annoys me on ebay. You are quite correct in stating that the edge inscription is applied to the blanks before the coins are struck, and the blanks are then placed into a hopper that feeds them between the dies. This applies to most of the 1983-2016 £1 coins and most £2 coins since 1997, apart from the 'Bridges' series of £1 coins and the London Underground £2 coins which had symbols on the edge.

Unfortunately some people seem to have got it into their heads that the edge inscription should always be legible when the Queen's head is uppermost, and that any coin with the writing the other way up (as you say, 50% of the production) is an error... The story got picked up by a clueless reporter on one of the UK's tabloid papers, and, despite many attempts to debunk it, it just continues to run and run...
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I agree with paddy I have reported lots of these scammers to ebay but they don't appear concerned just as long as they get their fees. The classic is one I saw yesterday stating that it was a rare error that the centre of a new one pound coin was the wrong way round. They had taken the centre out and put it back the wrong way round. Do these people think coin collectors are stupid ?
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Yes - that is another regular con. The inserts are put into the blanks before the coin is struck, so there is no way this "error" can occur in the striking process, only by criminals knocking it out and putting it back the wrong way round.
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I've been on the mint tour and watched the striking process first hand it's exactly is as been described but it doesn't stop some con man trying it on and sadly some unsuspecting novice may be caught out by them.
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Ah.. so it's the same idiots that plague Gumtree in Australia. The first $2 coin in Oz had the initials HH. The initials were dropped for most subsequent mintages. Being the first $2 coin to replace the $2 note meant a mintage of 140-160 million, so about 6 coins for every australian. Some clueless reporter or a youtube joker mentioned this as a rare coin worth thousands so now gumtree is full of ads for "rare" 1988 $2 coin with HH initials going for $1000-1500. It makes me want to someone. I do believe ebay's and Gumtree's free listings encourage many of the scammers as it costs them nothing. And yes, ebay doesn't give a toss so long as they get their selling fees.
The flipping of the insert reminds me of another scam with the coloured coins. People use acetone to remove the ink and then advertise it as a rare error where the ink wasn't applied during minting.

UPDATE - It seems the $2 HH scam is reaching new levels of stupidity on ebay! It's not even a good grade!
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-Au...224383731621
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sounds like the "New Pence" 2p myth :)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-2p-...224283044228
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