I'd say VF for both of these. The 1853 has some minor edge bumps. The 1887 penny looks as though it's been cleaned, although this may be because you've shone a bright light at it when taking the photo.
Yes I did shine a light on the second one, trying to highlight the detail but I recognise it does affect the colour. Good tips for my photography moving forward, and I'm hoping it's less challenging with silver coins.
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