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Straits Settlements 1 Dollar - The Real Thing Or Not?

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 Posted 04/04/2021  06:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pdg to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm watching an auction of this 1907 Straits Settlements dollar. The seller has provided clear photos and says the weight is 27g. I don't see any obvious warning signs but I believe these are regularly faked. Any views about this one? Thanks in advance!
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 Posted 04/04/2021  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks OK to me
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 Posted 04/04/2021  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fine to me. May have some finger prints on it later
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 Posted 04/04/2021  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine !
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 Posted 04/04/2021  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your spidey sense is telling you something is wrong so you should just trust that. The one thing I noticed from sellers of high quality Chinese produced fakes is that they frequently touch rare coins with their fingers as they're not serious dealers; don't understand numismatics; ultimately, they don't care about the coin, so why would you trust someone who clearly doesn't know enough to grab a coin in that way. They don't know what they're doing so they probably don't know what they're buying/re-selling. I've also noticed that they like to mix in real coins with fake ones to buttress their legitimacy and also often include scales in their pictures to show accurate weight.
If you buy it, I would assume guilt until proven innocent and test it every which way.
To me, this coin has a minty freshness to it, but with signs of wear, which makes no sense and if it doesn't make sense, like Judge Judy says, it's probably not true.
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 Posted 04/05/2021  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pdg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the feedback! True that about the fingerprints
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 Posted 04/05/2021  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Details look right but weight should be 20.2grams.

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OK, but has been lightly cleaned.
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In my own collection I have a couple different Numismatic Forgeries of Straights Settlements Dollar coins BOTH fooled world coin dealers. So you are correct when you say there are very high quality forgeries on the market.

I would ask the seller to confirm 2 things:

1. The weight - 27 grams is way off the coin was a token weighing only 20.2 grams. So his statement is simply incorrect. But why did he state it?

2. Between the King's name and ordinal is what appears to be an enlarged bead in the border. Ask to see a close-up picture that shows the face and edge at the same time. The only reason for a distorted bead would be an edge bump that causes an optical illusion of increased size.

If you get no answers - do not bid and consider you have dodged a bullet on this one.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  12:54 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think he has just mixed up the weight
Using that of the 1904 and earlier
Straits Dollars which were 27 ( 26.95) grams .
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the OP
Dollar .There is zero there that screams FAKE .
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Are any guarantees offered if you buy it?
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 Posted 04/06/2021  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pdg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for your feedback. Interesting about the weight mismatch. I hadn't spotted the change in weight in the post-1904 dollars.
As it turns out I had an unexpected family visitor and missed the end of the auction. It didn't reach reserve so if he lists it again I will ask him to confirm weight and take it from there. And maybe get an assurance of a refund if it's not the real thing. Cheers!
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