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1943 Steely Grade (Scans Also Added)

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 Posted 12/27/2008  5:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello

Trying to get an accurate grade as well as can be
expected with these pics. Scans may be better but we will see.
Coin in hand is incredible looking. The lower parts of the obv.
and rev. are more of an accurate picture of the coin overall
plus add to that a lot more luster. Rims /edges are just about perfect. Most of the spots seen in the pics. are not even seen in hand or under 10X loupe. Not quite in perfect focus / contrast also etc. Well, we will give it a go anyway !

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008...steelobv.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008...steelrev.jpg

Scans added. Note: some lint/dust particles. Also, areas that seem
like wear (high cheek, lapel are just reflections. No wear or scuff
at all. Proof like also mint luster and perfect wheat stalk lines etc.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008...6/43obvS.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008...6/43revS.jpg

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 Posted 12/27/2008  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I might be wrong, but it looks like a reprocessed steel cent. I have a few like this as well.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. Looks replated with XF details.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fields have that "orange peel" texture which I don't think was transfered by the die surface, but reprocessing.
Still, hard from the pic to be completely sure.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, thanks for the help so far. Guess you have to see it in hand.
Pics. and scans are not showing it accuratley. Best I can do.
EF details ? Under my 10X details are showing Choice Unc.
MD on 43 east also. Polish lines obv. upper to middle right near rim.
Really, I have seen worse wheat stalk lines and seeds on an MS-67
I am just not familiar with the attributes of a 43-P steely punch.
Normally weak ? Not showing here. Steel plating over copper ?
What does a normal field look like then ? Flow lines smooth, devices
where they meet the fields, smooth. Just trying to help some.

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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks AU-55 to me. The rubs on the cheek, jaw, and around the ear seem to be more than bag contact.

I can't tell if it's re-pro'd though. My guess is it's not.
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Look at the edge- if it is nice and shiny like the rest of the coin, then it is reprocessed. The steel cents were zinc plated before the blanks were punched so the edges on an unmolested example will be raw steel.
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That's a great way to tell.
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The edges are raw steel. I compared them first.
I.E.: From my earlier statement (Also, areas that seem
like wear (high cheek, lapel are just reflections. No wear or scuff
at all.) No wear whatsoever anywhere. I know it is MS. Very high at that. Just wanted to get a number as values jump considerably between
MS grades. If this was a copper cent it would be easier to grade.
Because of my pics. I guess, and the reflections of the zinc it is showing poorly. Thank's all for your help and input. I think I need
to bring it someone who has experience in grading steelies. Wear,
spots, nicks etc. are easy enough but I think the nature of the strike has to be clarified for me. I wish you could see it in hand.
Hold it at diff. angles etc. I never found one like this before in my life. Besides a few tiny spots plus two nicks and a few handling marks it is a very nice coin. I understand this reprocessing or replating but not done on this one. Anyway, why bother ? An S mint maybe but not a P. I am going to try and just grade it as a normal
linclon cent first. Forget it's a steel, take into consideration (when I learn of the steel cent punch attributes) for that mint and die state if I can, and leave it at that. I can side by side it with
MS66,67,68 and see what I have. I think 68 might not be in the cards.
66 I think easy. shoot for 67. The diff. in value just between 67 and 68 is near 900 Wow !
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 Posted 12/28/2008  12:29 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is MS as you say - An MS65 grade is the likely result from the major TPG. It could have an outside shot at MS66 at best.

The TPG have been very tough on Lincolns for over a year now. So much so that a 1 point knockdown is almost guaranteed.

Here's a PCGS MS65 for sale on ebay right now:

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12/28/2008 12:32 am
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Difficult to grade from the pictures, especially with this year.

If you're so sure of this coin, it's worth sending in for grading. Look at the PCGS price guide, $2500 for a 68.

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/PriceGui...Lincoln+Cent
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 Posted 12/28/2008  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank's all.
That MS65 pic. helps. It's weird how those areas show up as worn
in pics. but show no wear evidence at all in hand. Tough coin
to photograph. At least now I am in the range. Not choice but gem.
Think I will take a group of close up shots and build it from there.
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