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George III Halfpenny - PMD? Rusty Die?

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Details better at hand, the unusual marks seem very sharp and unlike ones affected by corrosion that I have seen before. Rusty dies? Most likely not, but want to hear your thoughts on this one

BTW, I used a flash with this picture. Coin isn't plated or such. Under natural light its chocolate brown.


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PSD of some sort. Die rust couldn't produce deep pits like that, and I also see some displaced metal at the edge.
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Agree, ED of some sort.
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PSD is same as Post Mint Damage, PMD? Meaning it's just damage of some sort after coin was struck? Wondering what might have caused this deep pitting
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IMO, the pitting was caused by verdigris, seems to have been cleared out and passivated.
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Sel_69l : yes! This sounds quite a reasonable explanation.
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Rust on a die would create a hole or depression in the die, which would in turn create raised patches on the resultant coin.

What's happened here is "spot corrosion". The coin develops a mostly adequate oxide layer that prevents corrosion, but a couple of "holes" in the layer allowed damage to occur when the coin was subsequently placed in a corrosive environment (eg. buried in acidic soil).

The coin was then chemically cleaned, dissolving the corrosion but leaving "pits" where the corrosion used to be.

You can see some before-and-after pics of some very similar damage on a coin I cleaned in this old thread.
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Jumping back to an old thread, I have to say thanks to everyone, and specially to Sap for a very nice explanation of what might be wrong with my copper penny. Thanks everyone
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