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1863 Broas Pie Baker Shattered & Clashed Die Civil War Token

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This is not a very rare token, nor is the shattered and clashed die very rare. But it caught my interest and I wanted to share it here.
It seems that the obverse* die began breaking even before it clashed (more on this later). I suspect that breakage was helped along greatly by a massive clash. The broken die continued to be used and deteriorated further with the 1:00-4:00 rim being obliterated. Eventually, the die was too broken to continue use and was retired. Apparently, the striking entity did not have another obverse* die, but did have a spare reverse* die. So, they paired the heavily clashed reverse* die with a 2nd reverse* die. You can find many examples online of the clashed reverse* die mated with an unclashed reverse*.

I believe there is something unique going on here. As I mentioned above, I believe that the die breakage began before the clash happened. The first reason I say that is, I am pretty sure that I've seen examples with the beginning of die breaks with an undamaged, unclashed reverse*. The second reason, and this is the thing that I find unique is, that I believe that the die breaks actually were transferred to the reverse* by the clash event. Specifically the faint line that goes thru the "P" of "pie" matches perfectly with the die break the goes from the chin thru the "U" of "united".
I don't recall seeing such a thing ever before although it may well be out there.
I also attempted to create an overlay picture. The overlaid image was rotated 48 degrees.

Please share your thoughts on this. TIA

*I've read that with CWT the face is called the reverse and the other side is called to obverse. I didn't want to confuse people, so I used the normal terms that are common to coins.

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Very cool for sure.
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Thanks for the explanation and the clarification on the reverse being different term than we are used to in normal numismatics. CWT is an area I'd love to get more into, but right now my concentration is on Colonial stuff and that is enough - actually more than enough to study and fill my head with.

I did get Dave Bowers lists of CWT's when he was selling his collection off, and almost purchased a few, but scarce numismatic books won out and the CWTs never made it into my hands.
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