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Is it bad etiquette to bring your Red Book into your local coin store or coin show when looking for pieces? I have never done this but I got to wondering about this when I was in the coin shop today wondering if the prices were a good deal or not.

I would think comparing prices from your Red Book with the dealers listed price in the store while they are watching you would be bad etiquette. Any thoughts on this?
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 Posted 01/04/2009  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say it's fine, do it. But I can tell you that a dealer generally looks at someone who just brings in a Red Book as an inexperienced collector, since Red Book prices don't reflect the reality of the dealer's existence. Better, if you are intent on doing your homework while shopping: before you go to a coin shop print yourself out the current issue of the wholesale grey sheet and you will have a handy reference of prices the dealer is probably paying for coins. Combine this with a copy of the latest coin price magazine. That way you can see where the dealer's prices fall. Is he asking very high retail or is he somewhere between wholesale and retail. Of course you need to understand how coins are graded as well so you can determine if the dealer's prices are fair for the grade.

I've never been to a coin shop where my possession of a dealer greysheet got me anything other than respect, or at least a grudging acceptance.
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 Posted 01/04/2009  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texas collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How or where can one get a greysheet? Do you have to be a dealer or something? My dealer usually charges what is in one of those Coin Prices magazines, which I have.
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Try https://www.numismedia.com it's a helpful site,in addition I would check a few different price sources and I would not hesitate to take them with me to a coin show or coin shop,knowledge is power with it you will get the best deal you can.
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Basically already stated. If you go to a coin store or show with a Red Book it's like having a sign on your back saying I don't know anything so charge me what you want.
I go to from 2 to 4 coin shows a month. Been doing that for many, many, many years. So far I've only seen one person with a Red Book and he put it away as soon as he realized no one else was using one.
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Again, as others have already said, its not bad to bring one, but it might make it easier for someone to take advantage of you.
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Do whatever you have to do to be informed. I'm a fan of the Red Book for specific info only not pricing. Use the greysheet or print out a numismedia.com FMV guide. Remember also, the dealer will have his grade on raw inventory, you may have your own opinion. I also agree that Coin Prices magazine is not bad either as a general guide for pricing.
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Just google "coin dealer newsletter". I think it's 3 or 4 bucks for a current greysheet.
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I ALWAYS take a CDN greysheet with me no matter if it's a dealer or a show. It shows your an informed buyer. I've even had a couple dealers at shows at to see MY copy before they quoted a price! LOL Most dealers will use CDN and, depending on the coin, most will sell below the ask.

It's only $4 to get the latest electronic version of CDN monthly, it's all I ever need since it has all the latest Lincoln prices.
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I wouldn't do it. But make (2 or more are trips often needed) yourself knowledgeable of what is available and return on your 2nd trip, forewarned is forearmed.
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it's unfortunate that dealers are willing to take advantage of a "newbie" in the first place.

However, one of my friends would bring a RedBook around coin shows and stuff, but he used it to mark off what he already had - and he let the dealers know this as well.
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I also download and use the CDN monthly. Keeps me informed. I just checked out numismedia for the first time and seems to be a great source as well. Thanks
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If you go to a coin store or show with a Red Book it's like having a sign on your back saying I don't know anything so charge me what you want.

I would disagree with that statement. Anytime I am looking at coins, my RedBook is next to me. Why? It is the best all around reference you can carry with you. Sure, the prices are not the best but so what- you have pics of some of the major varieties, mintage info, etc. I also use my RedBook as a bit of an inventory tracker and mark in it for various coins that I have acquired or ones I am looking for. Because I use it in this manner, I purchase a new one every year since the old one has written-up and dog eared pages and is just plain worn out.

I would not recommend using the RedBook as your only price reference. Giving a dealer a quick perusal compared to RedBook is ok and you will quickly know if the shop is way overpriced. Since the RedBook is only an annual edition, the prices tend not to be the most accurate and are usually a bit on the high side. If a dealer has all of his material over RedBook price, then that is probably not a place for your business. If the dealer sells stuff for CDN ask, then bully for you A reasonable rule-of-thumb for the Redbook(in most cases) would be 10-20% back of prices.

When I go to a show, I wear khaki cargo pants with a side pocket. The pocket is big enough for a spiral bound RedBook and I keep it there for quick reference. I also carry a sling bag with copies of the CDN and Coin Market from Numismatic News and my CherryPickers Guide. I use the RedBook at every show I go to and I have never had a dealer look at me like I have two heads- I just let the knowledge of what I am looking for do the talking for me. The CDN is a nice price guide and all but some dealers will not sell at ask prices which tend to be lower than retail. Also, some of the CDN prices tend to be unrealistic in the opposite direction(low). I would love to pay full ask for some of the 19th century type coins but that just ain't gonna happen!

My point to this whole post is this- there is absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a RedBook around a coin shop or show as long as you are not using it for a sole price reference. And if any dealer looks at you funny for doing it, then he is a snobbish grump and does not deserve your business
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Well said biokemist! Really, I agree, there's no shame in having a Red Book with you. If you're looking at a wide-variety of coins, you can't be an expert on each series. Red Book at least provides "ball-park" figures and some other usefulinfo.

This is interesting....I keep an Excel spreadsheet with all my coins. For my Lincoln proofs, what I paid for all of them versus the Red Book price is within $98! I was pretty amazed!
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No there's definitely no shame involved in carrying a Red Book, as long as you realize that the prices were developed in the first half of the year BEFORE the date on the cover and should NOT be used as a pricing tool, except perhaps in the way mentioned by biokemist.
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I agree with Biokemist and BadThad; I always take mine because no matter how much information I have written on my "list" I will always see something else that catches my eye. It might not be something I am looking to buy but it is usually something I just want to learn more about. I will make notes in the Red Book so that if I ever have a future interest I have a reference to when I last saw a real-world example!
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