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NGC Claims This Is Number 24 In The Top 25 Most Counterfeit Chinese Silver

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 Posted 08/15/2021  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what auction is this from or site? I wouldn't say that this is a terrible fake but yeah when something like this appears if I can't test that it's silver then assume it fake first. Even if its silver I would still be sus about it.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dant5150 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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what auction is this from or site?


Type in "China Ancients" on ebay and select "Free Shipping". There are 3 sellers doing auctions every couple of days apart.

With all the same quality photos and language in the listings, I assume it is one dealer with multiple accounts.

I saw a list somewhere, in my coin identification Google search, of counterfeiters on ebay, they are not on that list... at least, not yet.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dant5150 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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and wonder how you could ever have though it was real.


It wasn't that I wholeheartedly did.

I like the pieces I buy. I always hope that they are authentic. The fact is... I could have just as many forged Lincolns as I do China Ancients.

Yes, however, I agree, experience will make my buying choices more reliable. I am still a junior in the community, I began only early in 2019 and there seems to be no vaccine for the collecting virus so, tally-ho!
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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to collect fakes. If your aim is to collect fakes, you've picked a good place to start. Raw collectible Chinese coins are almost all fakes. This is specialized field better left to the experts unless you are targeting fakes. Spend up, but even at $5 you are paying too much. Who ever told you learn how the coin was made is correct. Somebody told me that years ago and it made me nuts until I started to learn about how coins were made. Pick up Denis Cooper's book, if you can explain page 67 I will buy you the beverage of your choice.
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 Posted 08/26/2021  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dant5150 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If your aim is to collect fakes


Nope... I collect art, er, uhm, reproductions of art, we all do and there are billions of examples to choose from.


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even at $5 you are paying too much


How about half of that? I have purchased only from the same 3 dealers. Piece count divided by accumulative total = $2.50 per piece. Of course in actuality, some pieces were a little more and others a lot less. I believe the least expensive was 25 cents.


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Who ever told you learn how the coin was made is correct


Learning the basics for every endeavor would be wise... using the advanced knowledge that many numismatists have to belittle junior collectors is appalling and embarrassing and it happens extremely regularly as I have seen!

Yes, it is a strain to tell the 9 billionth poster that their '82 copper Lincoln is a spender, etcetera, butt the arrogance that typically accompanies this answer is, unnecessary.


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Pick up Denis Cooper's book


I just recently realized that in the garage sale collection of books we have we own the 58th Edition of A Charlton Standard Catalogue of Canadian Coins. I've thumbed through it and reclaimed it.

With the Googling I have gone through from just this post and China Ancients, I have learned much... retaining what I have learned is another story, lol... half a century old and living in a legalized herbal Canada!

Is there a, Cliff's Notes, for Mr. Cooper's book? One chapter and I'm out like a burned out light bulb.

Sorry for rambling. Thanks for the reply!
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 Posted 08/29/2021  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that every collector at the beginning of his journey spent money on useless coins and how other collectors deceived us by selling a very expensive or explicit copy. I understood what sellers on ebay you are talking about, I saw their coins and they seem very suspicious to me + they are Chinese and I don't understand anything about them.
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what sellers on ebay you are talking about, I saw their coins and they seem very suspicious to me


When they first showed up, I was able to get many "pieces" below $1 Canadian. The auction final bids today, 6 or more months later, are a "nay" for me and while I like the art on them, I am glad I no longer bid although I still watch... a "piece" I bought much earlier for likely less than $2 CAD sold last night for $13 or something crazy like that and the one dealer is currently loaded with purported silver pieces.

Where did I say it here previously, or, did I just think I mentioned it... I researched a little while I was developing the collecting addiction prior to buying anything online. With the lack of in person purchasing opportunities I had to submit to opening an ebay account. The common theme that I found was, "be not only wary but especially so with dealers in China", so, I didn't in the beginning but then the insane Postal Hike in Shipping came and my USA purchases pretty much ended.


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I don't understand anything about them


By that do you mean the Inscriptions on the "pieces" are gibberish?

There have been certain Inscriptions and their arrangements on some of my pieces that I cannot find a match for and, I think I read somewhere else that this is common on... "reproductions"? "counterfeits"?

Okay, yes, rambling! I guess I shouldn't get into what I been muddling over about "fakery"! What makes it a fake or a reproduction is the seller's intent.

To deceive or not to.

Even the Mona Lisa has a "stand-in"

Thanks for the reply and the ear... hope it ain't bleeding!
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