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Canada
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from where are you purchasing your coins at auction.. If it is from ebay you can get a refund. |
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Quote: If it is from ebay you can get a refund. When I 1st began in this, I did not want to use ebay. The in person opportunities to buy in my neck of the concrete woods however is limited. West Edmonton Mall is my best bet but too their stock, while plentiful, is still limited and the price is set. When I began using ebay... anything and everything that came from overseas... I did not purchase. Now, with the seemingly huge cost increase in shipping from the U.S., who can afford not to take advantage of Free Shipping?! I just made a follow up Post to this. I might... I am beginning my Counterfeit Collection or, my collection has unwittingly begun. Lol... I got stuck with 3 other China Silver pieces on the next day's auction that I paid less for which are likely fake as well. Thanks for the reply. |
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Yes, the photo comparison reveals much. When my purchases arrived yesterday, I double checked what was in hand to what the seller listed. The seller's photos are well done, not all seller's' (lol) are. China pieces are new to me. Many pieces of many origins would be new to me. It would be nice to be able to compare the genuine article next to each of what one wrestles with buying before doing so. I guess if I wasn't like a kid in a candy store sampling all the sweets all at once... I could make more informed buys. Thanks for your reply. |
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Australia
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Learn before you buy. Greed is not going to help you in any case.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Learn before you buy. Learn from who? Fellow numismatists? The last online group I was in proved everything I thought to be true about collectors, too big for even their own britches! Do you want to know the number one answer a professional numismatist gives to anyone who they believe beneath them and especially noobs... " Go learn all about how coins are minted during the minting process and then come and ask me your question." Thanks for your, uhm, advice? |
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Singapore
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Learn from who? Fellow numismatists? The last online group I was in proved everything I thought to be true about collectors, too big for even their own britches! Was it in China Coin Forum ?  |
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Was it in China Coin Forum ? Nope but thanks for the hit! This might be the place I have been looking for. |
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United Kingdom
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You only really get to spot fakes easily through experience - and that probably means buying a few along the way. In a years time you'll look at that "coin" and wonder how you could ever have though it was real. But when you're new to an area you just don't know these things - it happens to everyone.
The real coin above has charm, artistry, vibrancy, depth and was crafted with skill. And you just don't see that in the copy which looks "dead".
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Australia
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what auction is this from or site? I wouldn't say that this is a terrible fake but yeah when something like this appears if I can't test that it's silver then assume it fake first. Even if its silver I would still be sus about it.
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what auction is this from or site? Type in "China Ancients" on ebay and select "Free Shipping". There are 3 sellers doing auctions every couple of days apart. With all the same quality photos and language in the listings, I assume it is one dealer with multiple accounts. I saw a list somewhere, in my coin identification Google search, of counterfeiters on ebay, they are not on that list... at least, not yet. |
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and wonder how you could ever have though it was real. It wasn't that I wholeheartedly did. I like the pieces I buy. I always hope that they are authentic. The fact is... I could have just as many forged Lincolns as I do China Ancients. Yes, however, I agree, experience will make my buying choices more reliable. I am still a junior in the community, I began only early in 2019 and there seems to be no vaccine for the collecting virus so, tally-ho! |
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United States
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I used to collect fakes. If your aim is to collect fakes, you've picked a good place to start. Raw collectible Chinese coins are almost all fakes. This is specialized field better left to the experts unless you are targeting fakes. Spend up, but even at $5 you are paying too much. Who ever told you learn how the coin was made is correct. Somebody told me that years ago and it made me nuts until I started to learn about how coins were made. Pick up Denis Cooper's book, if you can explain page 67 I will buy you the beverage of your choice.
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If your aim is to collect fakes Nope... I collect art, er, uhm, reproductions of art, we all do and there are billions of examples to choose from. Quote:
even at $5 you are paying too much How about half of that? I have purchased only from the same 3 dealers. Piece count divided by accumulative total = $2.50 per piece. Of course in actuality, some pieces were a little more and others a lot less. I believe the least expensive was 25 cents. Quote:
Who ever told you learn how the coin was made is correct Learning the basics for every endeavor would be wise... using the advanced knowledge that many numismatists have to belittle junior collectors is appalling and embarrassing and it happens extremely regularly as I have seen! Yes, it is a strain to tell the 9 billionth poster that their '82 copper Lincoln is a spender, etcetera, butt the arrogance that typically accompanies this answer is, unnecessary. Quote:
Pick up Denis Cooper's book I just recently realized that in the garage sale collection of books we have we own the 58th Edition of A Charlton Standard Catalogue of Canadian Coins. I've thumbed through it and reclaimed it. With the Googling I have gone through from just this post and China Ancients, I have learned much... retaining what I have learned is another story, lol... half a century old and living in a legalized herbal Canada! Is there a, Cliff's Notes, for Mr. Cooper's book? One chapter and I'm out like a burned out light bulb. Sorry for rambling. Thanks for the reply! |
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Russian Federation
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I think that every collector at the beginning of his journey spent money on useless coins and how other collectors deceived us by selling a very expensive or explicit copy. I understood what sellers on ebay you are talking about, I saw their coins and they seem very suspicious to me + they are Chinese and I don't understand anything about them. |
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Quote:what sellers on ebay you are talking about, I saw their coins and they seem very suspicious to me When they first showed up, I was able to get many "pieces" below $1 Canadian. The auction final bids today, 6 or more months later, are a "nay" for me and while I like the art on them, I am glad I no longer bid although I still watch... a "piece" I bought much earlier for likely less than $2 CAD sold last night for $13 or something crazy like that and the one dealer is currently loaded with purported silver pieces. Where did I say it here previously, or, did I just think I mentioned it... I researched a little while I was developing the collecting addiction prior to buying anything online. With the lack of in person purchasing opportunities I had to submit to opening an ebay account. The common theme that I found was, "be not only wary but especially so with dealers in China", so, I didn't in the beginning but then the insane Postal Hike in Shipping came and my USA purchases pretty much ended. Quote:
I don't understand anything about them By that do you mean the Inscriptions on the "pieces" are gibberish? There have been certain Inscriptions and their arrangements on some of my pieces that I cannot find a match for and, I think I read somewhere else that this is common on... "reproductions"? "counterfeits"? Okay, yes, rambling! I guess I shouldn't get into what I been muddling over about "fakery"! What makes it a fake or a reproduction is the seller's intent. To deceive or not to. Even the Mona Lisa has a "stand-in" Thanks for the reply and the ear... hope it ain't bleeding! |
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