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I been on a China Ancients auction binge. I don't know if anything is authentic or not. From what little I have understood in my research, much of what I bought is or might be Charms and not ancient currency. Still, it is all suspect. But, I like the buys and no piece has cost an arm nor a leg. The first 12 pieces of 70 newly to date has arrived. I don't buy Silver but I did this round. En.numista says about this coin: 1 Jiao, Year 3 (1911), Silver, 19mm, 2.7g As best I can tell, this description matches my coin but, as my title says... #24 most counterfeited... Is It? How else can it be verified? Hmm? I'll ask you.    |
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Valued Member
 United States
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I would look next at the thickness if it was in my possession and you have a micrometer. If you can't read the foreign alphabets, it helps to study each feature (letter/symbol) individually before buying. Granted there may be some variances or varieties, but this coin is not a good copy of what is shown in Numista. It really doesn't look silver either. Just my 2 cents.
All in all, it is always an adventure in learning.
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Pillar of the Community
Singapore
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I find the slightly 'fatter' characters and 'applied dirt' highly suspicious. Personally I wouldn't touch it, especially if offered to me cheap or less than market value for a genuine piece. Quote:
All in all, it is always an adventure in learning. It's an adventure until you spent a couple of grand on fake coins and can't get your money back.  Edited by Numister
08/09/2021 11:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Really? If you don't know what you are buying, might as well have gold plated lead or asbestos. Just money down the drain.
Look carefully at the dragon. Everything on it is just wrong compared to a genuine example. The stroke is a bit off as well.
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It really doesn't look silver either. It doesn't feel or sound like the silver I am familiar enough with either, although, I'm not experienced yet enough to comfortably and confidently tell for sure. Quote:
'applied dirt' highly suspicious. My first impression is that it was cleaned at some point but, it looks too fine to be sold at auction with no reserve and no opening bid mark, $0.00. The other purported silver pieces are oftentimes going into the $30 and $40 range. I got mine for less than $10 USD. Thanks to both of you for the replies! |
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If you don't know what you are buying, might as well have gold plated lead or asbestos. The Buyer Beware Program and The Buyer's Remorse Project. We buy and save/hoard money we will likely never spend, sell or trade. I think we all got some lead of our own rolling around in our noodles. Crazy is as crazy does. Thanks for your reply. |
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this coin is not a good copy of what is shown in Numista.  I had to put them together to see what you all are talking about and now I see some obvious differences. Quote:
and you have a micrometer. I don't but the ad claims, 1.1mm |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Yes, the photo comparison reveals much.
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Canada
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from where are you purchasing your coins at auction.. If it is from ebay you can get a refund. |
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Quote: If it is from ebay you can get a refund. When I 1st began in this, I did not want to use ebay. The in person opportunities to buy in my neck of the concrete woods however is limited. West Edmonton Mall is my best bet but too their stock, while plentiful, is still limited and the price is set. When I began using ebay... anything and everything that came from overseas... I did not purchase. Now, with the seemingly huge cost increase in shipping from the U.S., who can afford not to take advantage of Free Shipping?! I just made a follow up Post to this. I might... I am beginning my Counterfeit Collection or, my collection has unwittingly begun. Lol... I got stuck with 3 other China Silver pieces on the next day's auction that I paid less for which are likely fake as well. Thanks for the reply. |
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Yes, the photo comparison reveals much. When my purchases arrived yesterday, I double checked what was in hand to what the seller listed. The seller's photos are well done, not all seller's' (lol) are. China pieces are new to me. Many pieces of many origins would be new to me. It would be nice to be able to compare the genuine article next to each of what one wrestles with buying before doing so. I guess if I wasn't like a kid in a candy store sampling all the sweets all at once... I could make more informed buys. Thanks for your reply. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Learn before you buy. Greed is not going to help you in any case.
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Learn before you buy. Learn from who? Fellow numismatists? The last online group I was in proved everything I thought to be true about collectors, too big for even their own britches! Do you want to know the number one answer a professional numismatist gives to anyone who they believe beneath them and especially noobs... " Go learn all about how coins are minted during the minting process and then come and ask me your question." Thanks for your, uhm, advice? |
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Singapore
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Learn from who? Fellow numismatists? The last online group I was in proved everything I thought to be true about collectors, too big for even their own britches! Was it in China Coin Forum ?  |
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Was it in China Coin Forum ? Nope but thanks for the hit! This might be the place I have been looking for. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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You only really get to spot fakes easily through experience - and that probably means buying a few along the way. In a years time you'll look at that "coin" and wonder how you could ever have though it was real. But when you're new to an area you just don't know these things - it happens to everyone.
The real coin above has charm, artistry, vibrancy, depth and was crafted with skill. And you just don't see that in the copy which looks "dead".
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