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 Posted 01/11/2009  05:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have noticed that quite a few coins made in the 1940's are made of what I think is zinc. (they are black colored now) I am trying to find out what exactly it is that makes these coins turn white? Is it removable? Does it lower the grade and value if there are still strong details visible?

any info would be appreciated of course. Just trying to figure out if this white stuff is zinc's equivalent of verdigrees?

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 Posted 01/11/2009  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Malissa, I have a lot like this. Some of them are so discolored I can't even make out the details to see what country they are from. What I've been doing so far is to soak them in distilled water - about 75% of the time, a few days soaking will lift some of the white/black (they have both, and no I have NO clue what it is) and let me see who or what the coin is! Sometimes the white creeps back, but mostly the soak does them a lot of good. Just put them in a big glass bowl, pour in the distilled water and forget them for a few days. Swirl around and replace a couple days later if needed. Make sure to rinse in clean distilled water and pat dry gently, or just place on a clean towel and let air dry.

I don't know what causes it, but I suspect it's simply the composition + time. The combination does not make for a very pretty coin.
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thanks xshift. It's aggravating because I have some very nice, highly detailed coins and that stuff just makes them look terrible. I guess the distilled water attempt will be my next step.
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Same here Malissa. I purchased a 1942 Bulgarian 1lev on Friday for $0.20 at an antique store. The The coin has nice detail but it is black as coal. It is made of a zinc/steel alloy. Thanks xshift, I'll try the distilled water on this one.
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Zinc is a terrible metal to make coins from. It's highly reactive and looks ugly after even just a brief time in circulation. It's only used because it's (a) cheap and (b) has very few practical uses; it's therefore not a critical "war metal" and so it often appears in wartime coins.

Zinc has some peculiar chemistry. When most metals oxidize, most of the compounds that form are black or dark-coloured. Silver, for example, tarnishes black, and iron rust is red-brown. When copper oxidises, most of the compounds are bluish or greenish in colour. Thus, corrosion on bronze coins is blue-green. But for zinc, most of the compounds are white; zinc oxide itself is familiar to Australian beach-goers as the white stuff in heavy-duty sunblock. White on zinc coins is therefore the equivalent of green on coppers, or rust on steel; it's a sign that some serious corrosion is taking place.

Zinc compounds are also known for being water-soluble. Thus, distilled/deionized water should work much better at getting rid of zinc corrosion by-products than it would work for other metals.

For me, the mystery isn't "why do some zinc coins turn white", but "why do most zinc coins turn black"? Apparently, the black is caused by a complex mixture of partially hydrolyzed oxides and organometallic compounds. It's not very stable, and thus not very good at preventing the "white death" from forming.
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 Posted 01/11/2009  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wcg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recall reading some threads on another forum about the danger to birds that eat zinc coins and are poisoned as a result. I wonder how prevelant the problem is.
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