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1861 3 Cent Piece Grading Help

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 Posted 08/13/2021  6:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Yorick to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Although I used to collect coins many years ago, I have probably forgotten more than I actually knew.

I have been tasked, pleasurably, with helping a friend figure out what is "good and bad" in many old coins he was left after his partner passed away.

This one intrigued me most so far in the handful of coins I've seen so far as I had never seen a 3 cent piece in person.

Can you please give me a general grade on this as well as a good source for grading all older coins?

Also testing my ability to post pics. Lol.

Thanks in advance, Yorick
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 Posted 08/13/2021  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF!

I think this may be a counterfeit. I am NOT an expert on the III¢ Silver coins, so let's see what other members think.

The shape and positioning of many of the devices just seems wrong to me and the 8 in the date looks really off.

I could be wrong! Anyone else?
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Completely Fake
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Fake.
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 Posted 08/13/2021  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add apcol258 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice contemporary counterfeit. Appears to be 5-Q. It is in pretty good shape, maybe XF condition. German silver alloy from hand made dies. An interesting piece of American history, these can be quite collectible.
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 Posted 08/13/2021  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is fascinating. @yor, first welcome to CCF. Second, would you mind posting the weight of this piece? Thx.
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 Posted 08/13/2021  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yorick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good to know. Wow, maybe I'm not the one he should have chosen to help him along. Never would have thought about counterfeiting a 3 cent coin. I'd better hit the books again!

Disappointed but thankful to have found a good resource.

Thank you
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Spence, I don't have a scale that could come close to weighing that. Pretty sure my food scale would not.

apcol258, what is a 5-Q? Counterfeits are actually collectible?
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5-Q is the variety. Winston Zack has a book out on copper and nickel contemporary counterfeits. A second book on silver ones I think is in the works. These types of counterfeits were made in the 1800's to be used in circulation and not intended to deceive collectors like most modern fakes. There probably aren't a ton of people who collect them, but there are some who do. They can be hard to come across.
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Know little of these, but the date logo alone looks misshapen.
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Obvious fake.
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First,

Some contemporary counterfeits are worth more than the genuine coins. Sit tight. Some of the CCF experts in this field may be along to help you with rarity and value.
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Spence, I don't have a scale that could come close to weighing that. Pretty sure my food scale would not.


First off,

There are a number of very inexpensive scales available on Amazon which have milligram precision.

Regarding grading resources, one place to start is the PCGS Photograde site: https://www.PCGS.com/photograde

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I agree with the others, this one is counterfeit.
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