No you don't see those often and when you do most of them are like these two. Questionable color to me. I've tried hard find a slabbed unattributed one but they are nonexistent.
Great finds! Bummer neither would grade straight. The one with the scratch is still probably an okay buy as it's in a good die stage and would still be collectible. The cleaned one in LDS I'd stay away from at half the price.
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