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My Grandpa Gave Me This Necklace With Very Old Unknown Coin

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 Posted 08/26/2021  8:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Fmarroquino201 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Grandpa said the coin was from the time of a gay king that was murdered by his own people. Does this sound familiar to you?
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 Posted 08/26/2021  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@fma, first welcome to CCF. Second, one of your pics looks quite out of focus, but this looks to be a Roman coin so I'm going to move this thread over to that subforum. We will get some good eyeballs on it there.
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 Posted 08/26/2021  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is a base-silver antoninianus of Roman emperor Phillip I, also known as "Phillip the Arab" because he was born in Arabia. The coin, struck in AD 248 to commemorate the 1000th anniversary of the founding of Rome, features the city-goddess Roma seated, with the reverse legend ROMAE AETERNAE (Rome the Eternal).

No historical accounts accuse Phillip of being homosexual. On the contrary, he had a wife and at least one child, a pre-teenage son who was (briefly) emperor Phillip II. Christian historian Eusebius, writing long after Phillip's death, claimed that Phillip had secretly converted to Christianity while he was emperor, though there is no outward sign on the coinage or anywhere else of any such conversion.

Phillip's rule was reasonably popular in Rome itself, due largely to the millennial festivities, but revolts and barbarian invasions plagued the northern frontier.

Phillip and his son were both killed following defeat in battle (apparently murdered by their own soldiers, who decided to swap sides) against rebel general Trajan Decius, who subsequently became the next emperor.
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FYI, the Romans didn't have kings after 450BC or so. The monarchy was ended and replaced by the Republic, which lasted until 27BC when the empire is agreed to begin. After that Rome had only emperors.

Now there were openly gay emperors. Hadrian had an intense love affair with a Greek named Antinous. He even had Antinous deified after his death.
There was also Elagabalus, an emperor we would consider as gender dysphoric. Supposedly he liked to dress up as a woman and have sex with men, but some of this was likely propaganda.
He became unpopular with the people, not because of his sexuality but due to his elevation of the sun god cult from Syria over the traditional Roman gods.
He got murdered on orders of his own grandmother, who replaced him with another of her grandchildren.

In general homosexuality wasn't a big deal in Rome, as it would later become later in Europe a thousand years later.
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From what I've read, nearly half of all the emperors in the 500 years following Julius Caesar died from assassination or suicide. Comments?
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Half? More like three-quarters. Dying of old age, at peace in bed surrounded by friends and family and with an heir and successor all lined up and patiently waiting to take their place, was a rare fate for a Roman emperor. Likewise, very few were allowed to retire to their villa. Most died by violence; they were either assassinated or were killed in battle. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would actually want the job, yet clearly, many did.

The Empire did not become noticeably less violent after the formal adoption of Christianity, with the exception that retiring to a monastery (either voluntarily or by force) became a somewhat more common fate for emperors that were past their prime, and suicide became less common as it was frowned upon as sinful. Ritual disfigurement of rival claimants to the throne - lopping off a nose, ears or other non-essential body parts - also came into fashion in the early Byzantine period, as the state doctrine had evolved so that, as God's vice-regents on Earth, only the physically perfect could qualify to become emperor and a mutilated person was visibly imperfect.
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Fascinating history, thanks all. I thought I was just going to read about a coin ID but I got way more :-)
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From what I've read, nearly half of all the emperors in the 500 years following Julius Caesar died from assassination or suicide. Comments?


Tough gig, this emperor / king business:


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Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
I'm just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?


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