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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, going that far to get a Coin back could be seen as theft, definitely unscrupulous and desperate.
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Whoa.....1st off it is very fishy and unscrupulous of the seller. Once sold, the seller needs to let go hands down. 2nd off, you should be glad you didn't get this. No way is this variety worth the kind of premium you were willing to pay here. Just my 2 cents. I'm an Indian Head cent variety collector myself (even discovered new RPDs verified by Rick Snow) but I would have been kicking myself after getting this in hand. It is heavily cleaned and looks to have solder residue on the obverse. I would rather buy a non-variety uncirculated example from this date. 1908 does not have many (if any) varieties that command a premium. Rick does give this 2 stars in his book, but I cannot see this variety being widely collected (therefore no premium). |
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Here is a S-9 that sold on ebay for $655. It does appears to have a premium unless this variety is different than the OP example.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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There is that numismatic crime topic available to the community.
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Im pretty shocked if that coin realized that price. You could get a 5 star variety (1897 s-1 or 1894 s-1) for that amount or less. Even the 4 star varieties dont command that price!
I guess I am wrong if that is the case.
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The coin was listed for $655 and the seller ended the listing, so it did not sell for the $655, but seller still asking for a large premium. see link 194200459332There was a 1908 Indian cent MPD FS-302 S-9 (FS-011.79) PCGS XF-40 that sold on 6/30/13 for $797.50 at Great Collections auction. Edited by Slider23
09/03/2021 6:58 pm
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That is nuts. This variety shouldnt command that kind of premium in my mind, but what does that matter? Count me out as competition trying to cherrypick this one.
Id personally find a 1871 Shallow N for that money.
Edited by RedRaider
09/03/2021 9:34 pm
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wow okay you already paid and he shipped it as then decide it was worth the hassle to get it back, well I guess ask for refund cause you ain't seeing that coin doesn't matter what excuse he/she give they just want it back cause they think they are able to sell it for hundreds of dollars? no point time to move on  if don't know why bother lying just be honest to customer and refund the purchaser money, right? Edited by ryurazu
09/03/2021 10:41 pm
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I read this again. You didn't go into detail about this: Quote:I then check my ebay messages and there are 2 waiting for me, from him. Both with the most hideous and logistically impossible story of what happened to my Coin. What was their story? I wonder how they suddenly decided to revisit a coin they had already shipped. Perhaps a prospective buyer contacted them and alerted them to the variety? They spent 30% of the selling price to get the coin back, which is fishy in itself. Take a screenshot of the listing as it currently stands - it clearly says "sold". Preserve the tracking and purchase information. It's probably not worth wasting your time on, but I'd be po'd enough to pursue it further. As soon as you paid for it and they put it in the mail, that coin was your property. |
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This is a direct copy/paste of the two messages that were waiting on me, just after the USPS Intercept happen. The only thing I deleted was my last name from the first message and his name from the second message. These two messages were sent just minutes apart. I think for people to get a true context of the exchange, to make your mind up if he is making things up as he goes, you need to see more. #1 Hello and good afternoon Mr X. I wanted to reach out to you about your order, yesterday evening another customer of ours informed us that they received their package but it contained the wrong coin, as it turned out they received the coin you had ordered from us. So I don't know exactly how things got mixed up whether it was human error and the two were mislabeled or what but regardless, I want to sincerely apologize for the error. I spoke to my postmaster at my local post office and explained the situation and they suggested that since the package headed to you had not been delivered yet, that we could attempt to have it intercepted and returned to sender for a fee. That way if successful, it would be less of a burden on you to have to repackage and return the item, likely saving time and a trip to the post office etc. It looks as though the intercept has gone through, so I just wanted to update and apologize for the inconvenience... #2 I don't know yet how the other party wants to proceed whether it be to return the item for a refund or to keep it and ask for a partial refund for the difference, honestly I don't know I'm waiting to hear back from them. Either way it may take some time to sort that all out. So in the mean time I will issue a full refund to you. Truly I feel terrible about the situation and I don't have much else to offer to make it up to you however if by chance you see anything that is of particular interest to you in my inventory, I would be more than happy to offer a discount as a way of making it up to you. Again I do apologize for the mistake on our part and for the inconvenience and disappointment as well. My 1st reply Thanks for letting me know. I would like to still get the Coin, I don't mind waiting a little for the extra mail time. I buy a lot of Coins on ebay, just to be sure, we are talking about the 1908 Indian cent? #3- his reply back to me Hi there X, yes the 1908 Indian cent is the coin we are speaking about and I went ahead issued a full refund to you on it a few moments ago. Like I was saying before, we still don't know for sure if it will end up being returned and if so how long it may take. Realistically because of the unknowns, for instance how long the customer might wait to actually ship and then reliability issues with the postal service etc it could be a week or it very well take up to 3 maybe 4 weeks possibly even longer, there's no way of knowing for sure. If it does come back here, we do have several departments that handle different functions, it will end up following a set process that we use to keep everything organized and uniform, which it will be received by the returns department and then handed back over to online sales for re-evaluation to make sure it wasn't damaged or altered or anything etc. and then as long as there aren't any issues with it, then it will likely relisted again from there. My 2nd reply. Okay, well that is, fairly disappointing. #4 his reply back to me Truly I understand the disappointment for sure. Again I'm really sorry that the shipment did not go off without a hitch like it usually does. We do put quite a lot of effort into trying to ensure that things like this don't happen but occasionally mistakes still do occur. From this point though, whether or not we get the coin back or not is still up in the air, e bay will give the customer a lot of time, I believe up to 30 days to make a decision one way or the other and then once it is decided another pretty generous window is allowed for shipping it out as well. So quite a bit of what happens next and how long all of it takes is out of our control. The process on our end once received is pretty rigid, mainly because several business partners are involved, so everything has set procedures, all designed to make certain all their interests are taken into account. Certainly I wish there was there was a very quick and satisfactory solution but unfortunately there isn't. |
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Just to give a timeline. I made the purchase early morning of August 27. USPS tracking shows they had the package on August 27, 4:48pm. Expected Delivery Date - August 31. The package arrived at my USPS at 4:57 am August 31st. Which always means I'm getting my package that day, on schedule. Package was not delivered as scheduled on August 31. The Intercept is showing up on Sept 1, at 12:13pm Seller message #1 on Sept 1, at 11:55am Seller message #2 on Sept 1, at 12:07pm Note in message #1, the Seller states the other customer - "the previous evening the customer contacted him that he had my coin". - Which would have been August 31, "evening". The evening of the day my delivery was scheduled. My usps delivers at my home between 10:30am to 1pm. I bet anything the Intercept was set in process before August 31st. "Evening". If my package was delivered on schedule, we could have both contacted him on the Aug 31st, "Evening". This is why I found things, hideous and logistically impossible. and just to be clear, I know there is no "other customer" that got my Coin. The Coin I bought was in the package he Intercepted, to get it back. He just had to run with some fairy tale for ebay. I don't know why ebay could not just look at his account and see he is lying. Edited by HumblePie
09/04/2021 08:00 am
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From the interchange it sounds like an honest mistake. Especially since the purchase price was refunded voluntarily. Compared to the outright fraudulent listings on the bay this is minor.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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If I understand your argument correctly, you feel the coin belongs to you because you paid and they shipped.
If you paid, they shipped, and the package was lost in transit would you expect the seller to refund your money?
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I buy the coin and the seller ships it to me. The seller then uses usps intercept to get the coin back, because he finds out it is a variety and could be worth a lot more money.
This is not about a lost package or not getting a refund for something.
This is about is it okay, for a seller to sell a Coin, then ship, then use usps intercept to get the Coin back before it is delivered? just because they want to, with a possible up-side of making more money?
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The seller's story is bogus. What is troubling is that the seller is talking about relisting the coin when the buyer wants the coin. The seller has an obligation to make an effort to get the buyer the coin that was purchased. The seller is making excuses of why the coin may not be returned in a timely manner, and his company's rigid return process and business partner's complicating getting a $49 coin to the buyer.
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