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1984 LMC I Cannot Explain

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 Posted 09/08/2021  05:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would appreciate opinions as to what is going on with this 1984 LMC. My first impression was that something was stuck on the surface.That was ruled out after a lengthy acetone bath having no effect and then noticing that the numerous die scratches are continuous across this area which at first appeared to be raised above the normal field area. It would also stand to reason that were this some substance on the surface due to PMD, it would have flowed over and into the devices.
Both dies appear to be heavily scratched (reworked?). Especially all of the memorial bays. Numerous die chips can also be seen on the surface of the obverse anomaly leading me to conclude this coin was struck this way.
My best guess is that someone went crazy on these dies to remove a clash. My knowledge is fairly limited in these things so I turn to the forum in the hope of finding a reasonable explanation.
The camera obv. & Rev. images present a different perspective compared to those from the scope.
Your thoughts?
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 Posted 09/08/2021  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwistedTrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a cup holder spender but brace yourself for a acetone lecture.
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 Posted 09/08/2021  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You obviously did not read my post.
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VLDS. Over abraded dies.
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 Posted 09/08/2021  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John1,quite a reasonable explanation. I had suspicions in that direction as poorly described in my post.
My next question would be, do the abrasion devlope on their own during the run of these dies, or are they pulled and reworked at sometime during the life of the dies helping to contribute?
It is pretty bad and these dies should have been retired much sooner.
Good info and back it goes into the fray.
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 Posted 09/08/2021  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dies are pulled and polished, most times because of die clashes.
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to the CCF!

with John1. LOTS of die polishing marks, possibly from removing a die clash. I think the odd color on the obverse is just showing an environmental stain that couldn't be removed with acetone. I think you're right about the abrasions. Both sides look like the mint tech attacked the surfaces with a file (or chainsaw) in order to remove the clash marks only to further damaged the fields.

Here's a link to a 1984-P Washington quarter that I have in my collection, that has a very similar look. It was struck with clashed dies, the reverse die was over polished and scratched like the cent above, and was then used to mint a broad strike error. http://goccf.com/t/358359 The reverse still shows the clash (a so-called Spitting Eagle) and some hideous abrasion marks around the eagle's head and neck.

It's interesting to me that both coins were struck in 1984 in Philadelphia. It seems as if they were trying to save money on dies by reworking damage and using them past their normal working life. That or the technician just didn't care about the job they were doing.
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 Posted 09/08/2021  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the feedback. Pretty much my original assumption. It sat in acetone for over 12 hrs. That was the first thing I did before further investigation and finally posting.
The questions have been answered. Thanks.
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