1878 8TF Morgan Dollar VAM-16 Or Not VAM-16 That Is The Question

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Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/01/2006 10:29 pm as you all know I have only been collecting coins for about 6 months now, and I bought a VAM book for reference but until it arrives I was wanting to show you these pictures of doubling of the stars on the obverse and what looks to be a die clash above liberties bonnet. Even looks like there may be some doubling on liberties eye. Please look at these pictures and let me know what you think P.S. Please read last post to see why I think this is a VAM-16 Edited by Bryan1315 03/12/2006 7:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Becky Pillar of the Community United States 954 Posts	Posted 03/01/2006 10:42 pm Wonderful doubling on the stars!! But I'm not sure about the clash. If you show a full veiw of both sides of the coin I will try to attribute it for you. Looks like a beauty. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24170 Posts	Posted 03/01/2006 11:01 pm You do know you got Becky droolin' a little now don't ya? [:p] Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
rujam Valued Member United States 90 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 12:58 am Hi bryan1315! Hope to see more pics of this Beauty from Ya. Don't know how close you have been able to look at the stars, but they could be more than doubled on the 1878 8tf. I look forward to your other pics. And yes Becky is the Best, She helped me a ton with my VAM Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 03:49 am Here is the full scan, I tried and tried to take them with my digital camera but they just wouldn't take well so I used my scanner. You can't see any of the doubling with the full scans or anything but its the best I can do right now. If this isn't good enough I will keep trying with the digital camera. The foggy looking part right near the eye and nose is a scratch on the PCGS slab Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 04:01 am I finally got some with a digital camera. rujam so doubling on the stars on an 8Tf is kind of normal then? Edited by Bryan1315 03/02/2006 11:40 am Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 3:49 pm I looked closer and the strs could be tripled instead of doubled but not sure. I am guessing since there has been no replies these pictures didnt help at all, if you would tell me exactly what you need I will try to get the picture you are needing put up. Thanks Edited by Bryan1315 03/02/2006 7:49 pm Report this Post to the Staff
rujam Valued Member United States 90 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 8:23 pm Hey Bud! I was able to see the Doubling more clearly from your first pics. It's tough I know to get just the right pic. I must tell you now that I am by no means ANYBODY when it comes to these coins. But I have learned so much from the experts help! You have at least nice doubling of the stars and some of the Date, and I know you mentioned a VAM book heading your way so you will learn alot quick. I will tell you that from a selfish point of view, I want to see as many pics as you can take What kind of photo editing program do you use? I found it very easy, as long as my photo was focused, to crop the photo and move in closer so I could easily post a good close shot on this forum. The real selfish part is that I find it hard to find good photos anywhere on the net of a 1878 8tf. So I am comparing your photos to mine to find similar features. Have you looked at LIBERTY? The Arrows? not that it means anything toward finding out the VAM variation, Just for me to see. Hope I dont seem too selfish. Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 9:04 pm I have tried and tried to take pictures of the whole coin so you could see the doubling but to no avail. the way I am taking the pictures is I am putting my 10x loupe up to the lens of my 3Mp camera and taking the pictures. I have taken pictures of the arrows and the liberty and also took one of the things I thought was a die something or other but was told it was nothing but here they are. And I use either Microsoft picture it or Corel paint shop pro x to edit my pictures Edited by Bryan1315 03/02/2006 9:08 pm Report this Post to the Staff
rujam Valued Member United States 90 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 9:14 pm Yeah you got something going on with LIBERTY! Don't know about the whatever pic, no idea what that is. When you use your 10x loop, Zoom in to the max, increase the lighting, and pull back from about 2 inches until it comes into focus. Then Zoom in on your editing program, Crop, and resize the photo. So far it's looking good. Couldn't see the arrows enough. Remember it's not easy so don't get too frustrated Report this Post to the Staff
rujam Valued Member United States 90 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 9:28 pm Other areas to photo for VAM attribution--- DOLLAR, focus on the LLAR. The Neck below the chin almost halfway down. The bottom of the wings on the reverse, where the bottom of the wing meets the legs. I am sure I see tripling on the stars! Report this Post to the Staff
rujam Valued Member United States 90 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 9:40 pm Dude just so you know, we lived in Bessemer City outside Gastonia Back in 1994 when my Daughter was born! Cool Huh[:0] Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 10:15 pm I took the pictures but don't really see anything in the spots you mentioned but here they are anyway. Like I said I have only been collecting for about 6 months and only have about 40% morgan collection (one from each date and mint) so just seeing the stars had my heart feeling like it was coming out of my chest. Report this Post to the Staff
rujam Valued Member United States 90 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 10:44 pm You have much more of a collection than I have! But I have been thrilled with what I have and can't get enough of it. Becky will know what to look for, in the mean time I must go to bed. Keep looking, I'm sure there is lots to find on this coin. Be in touch tommorow. Thanks Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/02/2006 10:47 pm Thanks for your help and it is cool you lived in Bessemer city, I have lived here my whole life and I am 36 now Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/03/2006 12:20 pm Is this a common thing to just have doubling or tripling in just the stars on the 1878 8Tf? Because I dont realy see it anywhere else as prominent as I do on the stars. If its a common thing I wont waiste anymore of all of your timeI was just excited to actually see somethingthat wasnt on all the other morgans I have in my collection Report this Post to the Staff
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