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1977 1 Cent, Opinions On This Possible Ragged Edge Clip Error

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 Posted 10/01/2021  10:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was hoping to get some opinions on this possible rim error I came across while roll hunting for doubled dies, at first I thought it was just damaged until I put it under the microscope and had a better look.

It looks very similar to a clipped planchet with the dovetailing and the Blakesley effect, but it also looks like some sort of flawed planchet with a ragged edge IMO, so I am stuck on what this is and what I should be labeling it as .

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I think the best label would be a 'ragged fissure'. Neat find!

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 Posted 10/02/2021  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I had to guess, imagining the minting process, I would say that it started with a cracked planchet and the coin was struck. As the die was rising from the coin, a small piece stuck to the die and ripped it out. The fissure wasn't there when the coin was initially struck or metal flow would have changed its look. The other possibility is a hard whack with something that chipped the piece out post-mint.
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 Posted 10/02/2021  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with "Ragged Fissure".

We see weak strike around the fissure, dovetail, and a small blakesley signature.
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Very nice find, congrats.
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 Posted 10/02/2021  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, I still have yet to come across any clips yet, this is a cool example. I have a decent connection for getting Canadian cents I can only imagine you have no issue getting Canadian cents, I have though about purchasing some bulk Penny's on ebay but I always figure they have all been searched. Many times people try to sell cents for well over there melt value in bulk I don't ever really see Canadian cents sell for less then there melt value other then thee odd single roll for 1$ plus shipping though usually makes it not worth it. I have been looking into estate sales etc in my area hoping to find bulk pennies but it is usually only the slabbed and silver coins that I see for auction.
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Wrekkdd, I only purchase BU rolls from ebay which usually come with a premium attached, other than that I get all my pennies from the bank, the odd time ill find a good deal on a bucket or two through Kijiji.

When it comes to purchasing coins I try to stay as close to face value as I can, and yes at times it is actually fairly difficult to get rolls of small cents mainly because banks are super stuck on not letting them go back into circulation which can make it frustrating.

The key to getting what you want from the bank is to get to know the tellers, specifically the teller who seems to be there every time you go in as they usually end up being the one who deals with the coins and atm throughout the day, I like to wait until around closing time as it is less busy and the tellers will usually have no issue selling you a box and anything else that may be interesting that came in, I have had a situation where a teller wanted to sell me a box but there were too many customers and asked me to come back later.


Edit: Thank you for those who have commented, I'm hoping SPP-Ottawa will chime in at some point, I think this would be right up his alley
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 Posted 10/02/2021  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The other day I went into the branch where my friend works but they were closed Thursday (disability cheque and welfar check day) so they were packed on Friday. I didn't manage to get anything on lunch due to the half hour line wait so I didn't bother trying. I went in after work(I leave work at 5:45 usually) and got to the bank at 5:56(they close at 6) the same person who gave me issues before saw me walking up and went directly to the back and got me 140$ in rolls before I even reached the counter she was like here you go, exchange or purchase? I didn't have anything to exchange so just bought them. I think in general at the end of the day they don't have issues due to the fact its home time for them. I plan on trying a few banks in my area other then my bank(TD) and see if I have any luck.
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Wrekkdd, if you have a BMO around you try them, they usually have no issues with pennies and you can normally get a good handful of half dollars and nickel dollars.
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 Posted 10/02/2021  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The nickel dollar's my bank has no problem giving me. There is a local coin and sports card store down town and the owner has been bringing in many of his nickel dollar's to the bank(he does not deal in errors or varieties) I usually don't grab the nickel dollar's though. There is the 4 corners bank in dundas I might try to go to today(many old wealthy people live in this small town) I have been meaning to try all the other banks down there but have not had time even though it is only about 2 KM away.
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Nice find!
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Do a search on some error coin reference sites for a "blowout" or " Blowhole". That coin has all the signs of being one.
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Do a search on some error coin reference sites for a "blowout". That coin has all the signs of being one.


I spent a few hours last night looking around online and on some reference sites for the "blowout" error or anything referencing one and ill probably do some more research today but I keep coming up with " Blow Hole" errors instead. Some places do mention a "blowout" but do not go into depth or even explain what exactly they are referring to.

From what I have gathered, Blowholes, fissures, and ragged perforations all stem from the same thing in the end.

My question is, are errors like this common for Canadian small cents?

I know in the '70s there were plenty of clipped planchets and planchet errors. Stuff like this is why I stick to doubled dies, they are easier for me to recognize.

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 Posted 10/03/2021  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a similar thread http://goccf.com/t/386695#3310751 with some discussion.

I posted this 1974 penny

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 Posted 10/04/2021  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JohnWayne007...Try looking here http://www.error-ref.com/ragged-perforations/
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