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Counterfeit Morgan Dollar 1888 With A D Mint Mark?

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 Posted 10/10/2021  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, thanks for that.
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Although I trust @fortcollins when he says it's a straight-up counterfeit, check the edge and around the rim for a seam - it could also be a " Magician's coin" where halves of two different coins are put together.
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Hey Birdman sorry I dont know what PM means. I tried going to your profile and found a link to email you but according to the powers that be I am not qualified yet as a new member to email you. I am probably not supposed to try to contact you this way either but its my only option at this point. You all will have to forgive me for my ignorance... Like I said I am new to any kind of forum
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I don't know what you paid for this, might just be something you want to keep as a reminder to be very careful, there are tons of fakes out there, China is not the only place these come from but they do the best at counterfeits that I'm aware of. I picked up my 1888 CC fantasy (counterfeit) coin for $30 but I knew it was not real at that time.
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I found this coin...it was a (what we call in the detecting world a surface find) I was driving home one afternoon from work and traffic on the interstate came to an abrubt halt...I happened to be in the fast lane and looked over in the emergency lane and there it laid...I didn't know what it was but it looked like a coin so I hopped out of the truck and picked it up and you could imagine my surprise when I saw it was an 1888 silver dollar. Before picking it up I had never seen a Morgan dollar...I immediately went to work on my phone researching it. A few days later came to realize it must be counterfeit and decided I needed to be part of something that I could get expert advice on coins etc and that is how I came to this forum...I haven't quite decided on whether I really want to sell the coin or not but I will email you and we can talk...
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Another question I got is how do the counterfeiters make a counterfeit coin?

Pick up a copy of Numismatic Forgery by Charles Larson. It discusses several different methods. The book is interesting and inexpensive runing around $11 to $16.


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The reverse is probably copied from a 1921 D Morgan.

I don't think so, the mintmark is too large to be a 21 D reverse.
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Thanks to everyone for the replies...
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I Think FortCollins sums it up pretty well and no question of it being counterfeit. If you wanted to try a test for yourself just to get familiar with trying to determine the composition then try a specific gravity test. When done properly a 90% silver coin should come in at about 10.33. Readings in the mid 9. something are usually copper and perhaps a little silver. Readings in the higher 8. something are usually copper or copper and nickel. Specific gravity testing can be an educational and fun way to determine composition.
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Thanks for the advice Mr T...I performed the specific gravity of the coin and it is around 8.5 which confirms the counterfeit prognosis...appreciate the advice never thought about that method...very easy non destructive test...this is a very good way to test a coin for another confirmation to verify or nulify the validity of coins...
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When I was stationed in Spain, in the late '80's, I would sometimes see counterfeit Morgans being sold at open air markets.

You could tell by the look and feel of the coins, and they were always the same date.

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