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1878 S Morgan Thoughts

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I just picked this one up at the local coin shop.
Looks UNC Prooflike to me.
Maybe 62 in my eyes . I am not seeing any wear and the whole coin is quite reflective.

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Nice one! I think it's higher than 62.

IMHO, the obverse is solid at MS-63. The reverse is at least MS-64, and quite possibly MS-65. If the reverse makes 65, I'd net it to MS-64. Otherwise, it's a solid net MS-63. I can't get a good feel for the depth of the mirror from the photos, but there is clearly a mirror effect. Bottom line, either MS-63 PL or MS-64 PL, depending on where the reverse lands.

I can't see enough detail on the reverse to VAM it, but it appears to be a short nock, broken 4th right star, unbroken "R" in TRUST, so that should narrow it down to a dozen or so VAMs based on the mm position.
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Thanks Fortcollins
I have not even had a chance to look at it well enough to determine a VAM but will dive into it soon.
You are correct on the broken 4th star , broken r in trust and short knock, I will start a lookin
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Most of what I'm seeing on the obverse is just the usual cloudiness. There are a couple dings on the cheek and neck, a scratch in the hair above the ear, and a couple minor contacts in the fields west of the portrait. IMHO, that's fully consistent with at least a 63.

Like you, I can't resist the PLs. They are some of the most beautiful coins ever minted. I really like this one.
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I see A die Marker . Small Line in R of Liberty .
Assuming its VAM 93
I am having a tough time seeing some of the other markers with my loop but the line in R is apparent .
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I too love these prooflikes, and this compares to my own 78-S. Fortcollins said it well, and it does look like an average grade of MS-64 PL to me as well.
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MS-62, close to PL. Might be PL in hand, tough to tell in photos.
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MS62/63 more than likely PL. I'm guessing the lighting is probably accentuating the cloudiness and masking the PL fields
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I think MS63 and no doubt the reverse is PL. I do worry about the obverse however. The TPGs have really clamped down on PL and DMPL designations.
I think this is an excellent candidate for the next Messydesk PCGS Bulk submission.
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I'll say MS-63, not PL, 64 would not entirely surprise.
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yes Dave it will probably find its way to Messydesk . Strongly feel the obverse is prooflike but who knows .
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i think the obverse may hold it to MS63PL but 64 is not out of the question. less light in the photos may help
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PCGS says MS-62 Prooflike
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