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Cleaned, Not Cleaned.does It Really Matter?

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 Posted 10/30/2021  07:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
There's a pretty decent auction coming up at TCNC - Nov 5,6,7. Here's one rather nice item, graded EF-40. It seems obvious to me that it has been cleaned but this is not mentioned anywhere. Maybe if it's a really good cleaning job it doesn't matter?

https://auctions.canadiancoinsandpa...n/327/lot/49
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 Posted 10/30/2021  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cleaning does matter. If it is not done properly, down the road you will not know how the appearance will change. Most times cleaning will only affect the eye appeal and appearance not the technical grade.
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 Posted 10/30/2021  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CAmint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Being a newer collector, I've been told by a number of experienced numismatists to stay away from cleaned coins. For this reason, I never cleaned any of my coins.

That being said, I did buy a few coins that have been previously cleaned. My opinion on the subject is that a rare coin that has been cleaned will stay a rare coin. I would not buy a common coin that has been cleaned, but I'm often tempted to buy a rare coin that has a light cleaning (although I try to avoid any copper coins that have been cleaned as I don't like how they look).

Everything considered, I still expect a reasonable discount on any cleaned coin (rare or not). The best (or worst) example on this subject is the result of the auction of the Cook collection. The market has spoken on how they value cleaned coins.
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 Posted 10/30/2021  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the last day is going to be interesting, a lot of nice coins.
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@McShilling - two 1936 dots!!! I will be making popcorn.
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Silver - that is not a coin you want !
Cleaned is cleaned! ICCS completely missed on the
Piece!
Wait ! Just like a bus another one will come along .
Original skin ( look ) is what you should be striving for .
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@Pacificoin... Yes, for sure. Most of what I've bought has original surfaces. But standards are all over the place!
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Best advice , stick to your standards .
You can afford to be fussy and prudent .
That is how GREAT collections are built .
Find one or two dealers who are reputable
and deal in the kind of material you are looking
for . In Canada a great contact would be Sandy
Campbell of Proof Positive Coins .
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@P - haven't met Sandy C yet though I know him by reputation. I've dealt a fair bit with Hugh Powell though - quite the mensch...
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HUGH Is top drawer as well .
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Most improperly cleaned coins are damaged. New collectors don't see the dmage easily, but as time and experience builds up, it usually becomes obvious. There are exceptions to this, especially among ancient coins that are routinely cleans from rock and crud and sand etc.

There are some coins that are cleaned, or over dipped. Depending on the value and rarity of the coin, it might well be worth an example. Other times coins are graded detailed, but the issue is not even that it is cleaned. So if I thought a coin was cleaned, as a new collector, I would avoid it.

Then again, I got this coin back from ANACS as detailed, and I am not even sure why.

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Cleaned but attractive. ICCS missed the mark on this one: the holder should state 'cleaned' and if you compare this to other ICCS graded NL coins, it seems as though they have been a bit nice on the grade as usually they would grade this one VF30.
In 50 years it might not still look cleaned but the lustre is gone.
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