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19xx 1 Cent Struck Through A Late Stage Die Cap - Need Confirmation

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 Posted 11/10/2021  7:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I will need your help to confirm the error of this coin.

At first, I was thinking that this is a "Struck Through a Late Stage Die Cap".

But when I take a look at the edge, there's a small lip almost all around the circumference. So now I have a doupt. It's the first time I'm seeging this lip on this kind of error.

The weight is 3.20 g.

Thanks for your help.


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 Posted 11/10/2021  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is that Reverse another example of a Rorschach test, where you have to guess what the ink blot looks like to you?
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 Posted 11/10/2021  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know two much about these errors but it looks like one side of the coin was vary harshly wizzed pushing metal(including the rim outwards) is the side of the coin with the lip also the obverse?

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 Posted 11/10/2021  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Often there is collar issues associated with capped dies. I think yours is a very nice example of a coin struck by a late stage cap.
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 Posted 11/10/2021  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not looked into this error at all yet, I'll have to look more into it. Very cool error then
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 Posted 11/10/2021  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it was struck partially out of collar
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 Posted 11/10/2021  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was just going to say that it was struck partially out of collar causing that lip
and scrolled down and saw that johnysprawl beat me to it.
In any case, nice find and in excellent condition.
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Thank you to all of you. That makes sense.

So the exact description of this error shall be:

"Struck through a late stage die cap with a partial collar".

@okiecoiner

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Is that Reverse another example of a Rorschach test, where you have to guess what the ink blot looks like to you?


LOL! I suggest to start with you. Just tell us what you see and we'll know exactly who you are


@Wrekkdd

If you want to know more about this type of error, I recommend to take a look at this ref:

https://www.error-ref.com/struck_th...age_die_cap/

Thanks again for you help!
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 Posted 11/11/2021  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link:) very interesting one, nice find.
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 Posted 11/11/2021  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Additional information.

The date is missing. I tried to see something, but there's no evidence.

But we know that the period is between 1953 - 1964 (SF).
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 Posted 11/11/2021  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With these types of errors, a date would add much value, but still cool !
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Often there is collar issues associated with capped dies. I think yours is a very nice example of a coin struck by a late stage cap.


with this 100%

The cap is thin enough for some indirect metal transfer so you see elements of the hammer die design, but not thin enough that you can decipher the date.

If you rotate the capped die strike side of the coin about 20 degrees CCW, you can also see the faint, enlarged outline of the Queen's forehead, chin, and neck as a weak mirror brockage.

I don't think yours is a partial collar however. Remember your planchet is getting pressed between the dies, plus a die cap. Notice how fully struck the obverse side is, including the nice, square rim. The collar strike on your coin was full. It is the excess metal (cap) between the dies that adds extra pressure to your coin, and the metal being forced against the collar has to go somewhere. This is also how you sometimes get rim finning on partial brockages and indent strikes.

I would call your coin: "Struck through a late stage die cap"
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 Posted 11/12/2021  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SPP-Ottawa for the clarification.

So I'll be keeping my actual description.

Always a pleasure to discuss with you guys !
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