1802 Wide Date Dollar B-5, BB-242, Thoughts?

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psuman08 Pillar of the Community United States 1785 Posts	Posted 11/11/2021 3:21 pm I am looking at this in a local auction. These are sellers pictures. It seems to have all the diagnostics of a genuine dollar. It is a scarce die variety, with fewer than 100 pieces exist in VF to XF condition. From Heritage: The date is the so-called Wide Date, evenly spaced, with star pairs 3-4 and 5-6 close. The reverse shows an extra spur of metal on the curve of the D, and the right bases of the T in UNITED and the second T in STATES are shortened. A leaf tip is centered under I(CA). I feel like it is VF30 and probably details (cleaning and /or pitting on tail feathers). It does not match up to the know fakes shared here and on other sites. Please share your thoughts on condition and authenticity. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11917 Posts	Posted 11/11/2021 3:47 pm The obverse looks VF25 because of the patch of missing hair detail. Also the scratch by the eye looks like a toothpick that is about to pierce the eye. The reverse looks much nicer with a full strike but with the already mentioned pock marks into the tail. Maybe XF40 on this side. Net VF30-35 and I am leaning more toward VF30. It is on the borderline to straight grade and details from the defects already mentioned, but could go either way. A straight graded VF30 Draped Bust dollar has sold at auction between $1740 and $4080 in the past 2 years. I would target $2,000 minus $500 for the risk of a details grade and bid up to $1500 including the auction premium. Having said that it may be tough to get the coin at that price since there may be bidders who are willing to pay more, but probably better to remain disciplined. There is always a better opportunity tomorrow to buy a better coin at a better price. It is a nice looking coin but you want to buy it at an attractive price. How are you assessing your bid? Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 11/11/2021 4:00 pm I think VF-30 sharpness, but if you have the slightest concern about cleaning (which I do), you should pass without hesitation. Edited by Coinfrog 11/11/2021 7:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6398 Posts	Posted 11/11/2021 7:34 pm Looks genuine and has nice eye appeal overall. I think a VF-30 straight grade is very possible and if you can win it with a $1500 bid you have done well. I wouldn't mind adding a nice 1802 dollar to my collection.... Report this Post to the Staff
jacrispies Pillar of the Community United States 3848 Posts	Posted 11/11/2021 9:06 pm Maybe VF-30, but I'll go with a net grade of VF-25. The cleaning is a killer for me but it does have good details. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955 Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Edited by jacrispies 11/11/2021 9:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
kenwright396 Pillar of the Community United States 1173 Posts	Posted 11/12/2021 06:28 am with Jacrispies. Report this Post to the Staff
psuman08 Pillar of the Community United States 1785 Posts	Posted 11/12/2021 06:56 am Quote: How are you assessing your bid? I will be very conservative. My top bid will be less than $1500. Report this Post to the Staff
panzaldi Bedrock of the Community United States 18720 Posts	Posted 11/12/2021 08:26 am I net this one at VF30. cleaned? maybe decades ago. it could be pitting on the tail feathers but hard to tell unless in hand. would it grade straight? tough call on this but I need to go with the rest of the pack here that it could go either way which doesn't help if you are attempting to procure it. Report this Post to the Staff
psuman08 Pillar of the Community United States 1785 Posts	Posted 11/13/2021 6:49 pm This sold for $1600, not to me. Report this Post to the Staff
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