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What Is This On My Coin?

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 Posted 11/15/2021  07:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add totty to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,
So I recently got an envelope of mostly Australian coins from my mother. She said she had had them for decades and by the looks, they'd been in the envelope the whole time.

Anyway, most of the silver coins have this heavy black coating on at least one side. I'm wondering if this is patina, some sort of reaction from whatever the envelope was made of, remnants of a past cleaning, or something else entirely. In any case, it just about ruins the eye appeal of otherwise very nice pieces.
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So my question is basically what is this stuff? And is there a way to remove it without damaging the coin- or is it chemically a part of it. A real shame in any case.

Thanks in advance!

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is it chemically a part of it

Yes, it certainly is.

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what is this stuff?

A corrosion product, probably a sulfide or chloride of silver, probably caused by chemical residues present in the paper.

The coin you have shown appears to have been well circulated, so if you try to remove it, you will have a very obviously cleaned, circulated coin.

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Probably best to leave well enough alone.



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A corrosion product, probably a sulfide or chloride of silver, probably caused by chemical residues present in the paper.

The coin you have shown appears to have been well circulated, so if you try to remove it, you will have a very obviously cleaned, circulated coin.

Thank you, I figured as much. Quite a shame as this example is a somewhat low mintage. How negatively would the blackness affect a potential grade? Also, do you think it is continually corroding/ damaging the coin? I'm planning on holdering them and wouldn't want to have a look in a few years to see nothing left!


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Silver turns black when exposed to sulfur. Coin collectors call this process "toning", but everyone else calls it "tarnish". This sulfur can come from numerous sources, including rubber, industrial pollution, cigarette smoke, bushfire smoke, kitchens where garlic and onions are prepared, certain types of wood, and coloured paper or cardboard.

Was the "envelope" yellow? Yellow paper is notorious for causing silver to tarnish. Or, they may have been stored in a cheap cardboard coin album, of the type that was popular back in the 1960s. In my experience, coins that are deeply toned only on the obverse (like this one is) have probably been sitting in cardboard albums for a decade or more.

As for removing the tarnish: sorry, but removing tarnish from silver is generally regarded as "bad cleaning". There are proprietary silver "dips" like Tarn Off, Lindner or E-Z-est that claim to safely remove tarnish from coins, but they're usually made of a sulfuric-acid-and-thiourea solution which will corrode the coin, slightly, leaving behind a dull, unappealing "cleaned" look.

Neither a coin dealer nor a collector will pay you extra for coins that have been badly cleaned. Most coin collectors prefer not to own heavily tarnished coins, but most of those same collectors would also prefer to own a tarnished coin rather than a cleaned one.

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How negatively would the blackness affect a potential grade?

There is debate in the collecting community about how severely a tarnished coin ought to be downgraded. And while it may have minimal impact on the technical grade, it certainly has an impact on eye appeal, and therefore on resultant value.

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Also, do you think it is continually corroding/ damaging the coin? I'm planning on holdering them and wouldn't want to have a look in a few years to see nothing left!

Unlike tin pest (which can slowly spread spontaneously) or bronze disease (which only needs moisture to propagate), silver tarnish requires continuous exposure to atmospheric sulfur in order to "grow". Remove it from the sources of sulfur, or from the atmosphere entirely by placing it in a well-sealed 2x2 for example, and it will stop spreading.
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 Posted 11/16/2021  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add totty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great reply!
Yes, indeed it was in a yellow envelope... I won't clean them of course but a shame nonetheless. I suppose the glass half full approach is there was nothing truly rare.
Thanks again.
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