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All, Having a little difficulty grading the below coin. Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Fine details corroded.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2955 Posts |
This planchet looks like it may have been manufactured overseas, got corroded on the journey over, then got minted... with F-12 details. |
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 United States
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@mr, if you are suggesting that this is a counterfeit (I.e, minted outside the US), can you please describe what specific detail is off? I have quite a few lower grade Large Cents and Half Cents, and in my experience porous surfaces are fairly common. Thx for providing more of an explanation. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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United States
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@Spence, the planchets for classic head cents were contracted by the mint to be produced in England. They traveled on ship cargo holds in barrels and salt water was often in contact with the cargo, often corroding planchets. This is why many of these cents are found corroded. For the 1813 cents, these were minted during the War of 1812 when the British blockaded the US and import of copper planchets stopped. The Mint tried to make due with the copper planchets they could source elsewhere but by 1815 they ran out of the metal and no copper coins were produced that year. For all these reasons classic head cents in high grade with good planchets are scarce. Last weekend I saw one at MS64 and the dealer wanted $27k for it. A cool historical coin.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/23/2021 7:42 pm
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United States
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Never said it was counterfeit,  I agree with numismatic student on them made overseas then minted here, hence many have that appearance, probably not very many of this type escaped unscathed.  |
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United States
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I like classic head large cents, although the fact that they come porous is disappointing. You need very deep pockets to buy a reasonable example.
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Ah ok that makes good sense. Thx @ns and @mr for the explanation.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I with Fine details. This one looks like it spent time in the ground. Porous planchets are common as stated above but this one does not look the be struck over heavy porosity. PMD, corrosion and scratches after minting look to me like the main issues here. |
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New Member
 United States
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I've added a better picture of the reverse. Also, thanks for the history lesson!  |
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Germany
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I agree with jpbone as far as grade is concerned: F12 details.
Edited by GERMANICVS
11/25/2021 12:19 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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NS gave a good history on these coins regarding the planchets. this makes grading a little more of a challenge. obverse F12-15 reverse VF20. net F5 details my 1808 12 star grade VF30 details. I think they are little more lenient with these   |
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United States
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F details environmental damage
Tim Hughes
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I always think of the gym when I see this type of coin: "Liberty with Sweatband".  Agree with Fine Details. Nevertheless, as a type it is a nice coin to have. |
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