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An Umayyad Coin - Attribution And Veracity

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 Posted 12/24/2021  01:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SamVimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Definitely an Umayyad coin, but could anyone help me to narrow it down? Also, could it be a modern copy? Looks fine to me, tbh.
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 Posted 12/24/2021  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Off the top of my head, Khusru type with bism Allah rabi in the obverse margin, BYSh (Bishapur mint), date? Apparently clipped. No opinion on authenticity.
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 Posted 12/24/2021  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
....Definitely Bishapur mint.
Date...Maybe I'd go with AH 48 or 47....Maybe Kushanshah has better eyes than me...Hopefully he'll take a look..

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 Posted 12/24/2021  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you might need the weight for authenticity. If I remember, they were pretty precise.
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 Posted 12/24/2021  11:33 am  Show Profile   Check Seeker55's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Seeker55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's probably clear by now, but just for the record I'll say this is Sasanian, not Umayyad.
Here are some excellent sites to identify Sasanian coins:

https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/ide...ins-186.html

http://beastcoins.com/Sasanian/Sasanian.htm

http://grifterrec.rasmir.com/sasania/sasanian.html

and to identify mints:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/n...nian%20Mints
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 Posted 12/24/2021  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Umayyads copied Sassanian coins, adding Arabic like "bism Allah rabi".
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Looking at the assorted regnal date identifier tables, I would read the OP coin's date as 38, but I'm not very confident. (The 38 at Beast Coins looks very similar, but they don't have a 37 or 39 to compare it with.)
Those dates can get very high (reportedly into the 140s or even higher) and I couldn't find any tables that go past 49. For all I know it's actually 77 or whatever.

AFAIK these types are usually known as Arab-Sassanian; they continue the series of Sassanian coins, but add Arabic inscriptions, and let the regnal years go up because there are no more Sassanian kings for them to count from.
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Lot 73 looks to be a match ....Year AH 48..
https://db.stevealbum.com/php/chap_...ter=2&page=1
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I stand corrected -- I didn't realize that the Umayyads were the Arabs referred to in Arab-Sassanian issues. Learn something every day!
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Looking at the relevant plate in SICA-1 with a magnifying glass, I agree it's AH 48.

The surfaces are unusually rough in spots. I'm not certain whether it's natural or evidence of casting.

Not all Arab-Sasanian coins are attributable to the Umayyads. Some belong to the preceding Rashidun caliphate, others to governors and rebels. The coins of Tabaristan and Bukhara extend into the 'Abbasid era.
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 Posted 12/25/2021  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamVimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, guys, such a huge lot of info, thanks! It indeed seems to be this one - https://db.stevealbum.com/php/lot_a...ot=73&lang=1

As for authenticity, shall I remain optimistic? The weight is 3.8g, which, given the clipping, is close to 4.02 indicated on the link above. What other features should I look at?
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