Dating A Cut Henry III Long Cross Silver Penny?

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gerio2 Valued Member United Kingdom 112 Posts	Posted 01/07/2022 1:53 pm Can anyone help me refine my dating of this Long Cross Penny? Even though it's cut it still has some identifying features to go on. Where I've got so far: - The reverse legend is the minter - Richard (RIC) of London (VND). He struck pennies through most of the types. (Spink says types 3d1 and 2-5g) - As my photos make clear (I've kept them on the same axis) the obverse is at 10 o'clock to the reverse cross. Significant or normal? Other points of note: - The crown has end pellets and central fleur which protrude into the ring of smaller pellets surrounding the bust. - I can't read the letter to the right above the crown central fleur and I'm sure this would help the ID - there appear to be 3 pellets not 4 or 5 under the crown - each reverse quarter has 9 pellets. - There seems to be no initial mark above the crown fleur - Type 5-7? - I'm assuming it not the posthumous phase because of the crown position Edited by gerio2 01/07/2022 2:18 pm Report this Post to the Staff

JohnConduitt Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 725 Posts	Posted 01/07/2022 2:41 pm I've just being doing a few of these. You can also use this site: https://www.rodblunt.com/long-cross...assification The obverse legend starting at 10 o'clock makes it Class 5 onwards. The hair is crescents with pellets, which makes it Class 5. The crown ends in pellets, which I think means it's Class 5a2-3, 5b2, 5c1-2, 5f or 5g. You have an R, which I think is Type 1/wedge-tailed (although they all look very similar to me). This would mean it's 5b2 (1253) or 5c2 (1253-6). You're missing the chin, the eyes and the X, which makes it harder to identify. But 5b2 is the most common Henry III penny. Edited by JohnConduitt 01/07/2022 2:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
gerio2 Valued Member United Kingdom 112 Posts	Posted 01/08/2022 06:28 am Quote: I've just being doing a few of these. You can also use this site: https://www.rodblunt.com/long-cross...assification Thanks John. I'd been using another version of Rod's articles but this is clearer (mine didn't have photos of so many subtypes) I've had a closer look and come to the conclusion its probably 5c2 - the reason being that 5b2 has a larger central pellet in the middle of the reverse cross, some of which would have still been visible when the coin was cut. This has none, so it must be 5c2 which has a smaller central pellet. Its good to note the wider contents of Rod's website too. Lots of reading material there to refer to in the future. It looks very interesting. All very helpful, thanks again. Edited by gerio2 01/08/2022 06:42 am Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5172 Posts	Posted 01/08/2022 10:52 am For what it's worth, it looks like the corner of the eye is visible, which would mean 5c2, because the 5b2 eye has no corner in this spot. But I'm not very confident that it's not just a trick of lighting. Report this Post to the Staff
richtea New Member United Kingdom 25 Posts	Posted 01/16/2022 5:13 pm You could try asking Robert Page at robtpage@gmail.com. He used to run a website called http://www.henry3.com but it seems to have disappeared in the last year. He has written some very in-depth articles for the British Numismatic Society too: https://britnumsoc.blog/2020/09/17/...robert-page/ Report this Post to the Staff
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