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1964 Roosevelt Dime With Numerous Die Breaks-Help Please

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 Posted 01/14/2022  10:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mb560600 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Some interesting die breaks on the reverse of this dime: two beginning at the C and two beginning at the R of AMERICA. The breaks progress towards each other. Pre-Cud?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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 Posted 01/15/2022  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I see a minor die crack on the C and no pre-cuds.
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Thanks for the responses.
Dearborn, I believe you are confirming that there is more than one die crack on the photos I posted. Those originating above and through the R are thin, but they do extend to the interior and appear to meet the bigger cracks extending from the C. That's why I questioned whether this might be an early Pre-Cud.
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A Pre-cud is not a single crack on the coin. Usually you have to have two that intersect from rim to rim to have what I call, a Retained Cud. Usually these show movement of the die out of the normal design. The cracks allow the die to gape on the affected areas.
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Note the sliding of the die at this point?
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Your coin is in the Basic die crack area. Like Kinder garden level. It has many more coins to strike on order to graduate into the pre-cud ( Retained Cud) club yet)

CoopHome: Is my coin a pre-cud yet?
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Yep.
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Thanks Coop, I appreciate your response. But even a newbie die event error collector like me knows that a single die crack does not result in the formation of a Pre-Cud. I would not have provided the post if I had not thought there were at least two rim die cracks which intersected with each other.
Tomorrow morning I will provide some better photographs of the areas in question showing the additional die cracks on this dime that I believe are intersecting. It may not be a Pre-Cud, but there are definitely 4 die cracks at issue.
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Let me start by saying that this is not some significant "die event" find worth some big premium. It is just an interesting coin with what I believe are multiple die breaks. Here are additional images of the reverse of this dime that I believe show the intersection of 4 die breaks/cracks.

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Here we see two die breaks, numbered 1 and 2,which begin on the rim above the letter C. The arrows highlight their paths through C, and show how the paths are converging towards each other.

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This image shows die breaks 1 and 2 intersecting each other at the triangle marker below the letter C. At a minimum, these two die breaks may be seen as forming a more serious die event, possibly an early retaining Cud.
Also, this image shows another die break which intersects with breaks 1 and 2 converging on a line from the right leg of the letter R.

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Die break 3 (in red font) and 4 (in blue font) both begin on the rim above the letter R, traveling inward through it. Each of these die breaks converge in the middle of the letter R and travel down the right leg, and continue on a joint path toward die breaks 1 and 2. Number 3 appears to be the more dominant and advanced break of the two.

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Your coin is in the Basic die crack area. Like Kinder garden level. It has many more coins to strike on order to graduate into the pre-cud ( Retained Cud) club yet)

Coop, could we say that the coin is a bit higher along the die event development toward a retained pre-cud---maybe a high school sophomore or junior?
Thanks all for taking a look.
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Hi all. I posted some additional photos of this dime yesterday that I believe show there are 4 intersecting die cracks. Does anyone disagree?
Thanks for taking a look and your comments.
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