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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I had a very interesting conversation with a coin luminary the other day. No doubt he's someone known to many of you. He feels strongly that we need a better scale to grade copper. His suggestion is:
Brown (no red, <10% red)
Trace Red (10% - 20%)
Brown & Red (25% - 40%)
Red & Brown (45% - 60%)
Mostly Red (60% - 75%)
Red (75% - 90%)
Strong Red (95% - 100%)
Full Red or Blazing Red - strong frost together with 95% --> 100% red.
Superimpose that over subjective eye appeal features like symmetry and that sort of thing and suddenly, the reason why there's a significant difference in the cost of two otherwise very similar coins makes sense.
This was a revelation for me.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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The first step should be to understand that there are no copper Canadian coins.
Cents are made of bronze.
Other countries did have coins struck in both copper and bronze.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Bronze is 88% copper with some tin and other metals thrown in. I call it copper because it's mostly copper and this is really not the point anyway.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
9866 Posts |
So it's OK to propose a new grading system whose first assumption is erroneous?
A system like that is too complex.
99.9% of all collectors could not differentiate 5% redness.
"buy the coin and not the holder" trumps any grading system or service.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
01/31/2022 10:38 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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..it's mostly copper and this is really not the point anyway. What are you going to do when your Newfoundland collection moves to the pre-decimal Newfoundland tokens, struck in both copper and brass? Just call them all copper? "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1081 Posts |
Would it be possible to focus on the actual subject if I promise to never utter the word 'copper' again?
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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The system as proposed probably would not work .
Too confusing , arguing over 5 % here 5% there.
With DBM on this one , buy the coin and not the holder .
PCGS,NGC, ANACS ,ICCS have very different standards
When it comes to grading , especially when copper , bronze
or alloys thereof are involved .
An example would be a gorgeous lilac and brown fully struck
George V small cent worth about 50 bucks in an ICCS 63 holder
Selling for 400 bucks raw to a knowledgeable collector .
Done it a few times .
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Valued Member
United States
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I agree that it nearly impossible to break down the degree of red into so many categories. And what happens when the coin continues to tone? It gains a different designation.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
851 Posts |
Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning
Having over 8000 posts doesn't give the right to be rude
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Moderator
Canada
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An example would be a gorgeous lilac and brown fully struck
George V small cent worth about 50 bucks in an ICCS 63 holder
Selling for 400 bucks raw to a knowledgeable collector .
Done it a few times . Here is a perfect example, from an auction this past weekend (London Coin Centre). So, for a registry collector MS-65RD provides 2 bonus points (RB is 1 bonus point, B is no bonus points). That said, ultimately, it is eye appeal that impacts the price. https://auction.londoncoincentreinc...PCGS-ms65-rdvs https://auction.londoncoincentreinc...6-bn-top-pop"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@SPP bingo!
Describes the scenario perfectly .
Eye appeal and overall sexiness
wins over any number on someone's holder .
Edited by Pacificoin
01/31/2022 5:08 pm
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Posted 01/31/2022 09:59 am
