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Possible 1988 Penny With 1989's Reverse Variety

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Hello all! I was doing some routine error checking on key dates of pennies and I think I found the 1988 Penny with 1989's Reverse (FG) initials-serif version. The only thing is that it's hard to see because the letters are doubled. Also, there's doubling elsewhere on the coin too, not just the initials!

Here are some pics to show what I mean:

1988 date with minor doubling
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The initials on the reverse with major doubling
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Doubling on 'merica
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Doubling on United
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What do y'all think? Are those the correct letter types for the initials? What do you think of the doubling? Could it be Die Deteriorating Doubling? a term I just learned about recently here on this forum. Could it be a combination of that and something else?

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 Posted 02/13/2022  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too much glare on the FG for me to tell.The FG needs to look like this http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...DRDV0061.htm
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Thank you for being the first to comment John1.

I understand about the glare, this was the closest pic I could take with the micro-camera shoved up close to the coin, I also turned down the light on the camera.

The top part of the G is curved, and the "arm" of the G points inward.

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I think it looks like the flared G shown on the link you provided John1, but the doubling makes it look off.

*Edit*

here's another pic of the coin at a different angle.

The rightmost side of the G passes the top part of the G like a serif.

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It's not an 89 reverse, just the regular 88 reverse.

I cannot tell from your pics if there is notching or it's just glare. There are a few listings on Wexler and cc though.
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It is a regular 88 reverse. There was a bit of confusion when I first read and learned about this coin and when I made the title of this post.

One thing to note is that the initials, FG are closer to the structure compared to the Close AM variant. The initials look pretty close to me, is just doesn't look like pictures that John1 shared because of the major doubling.

What do yall think about the doubling? I think I saw something about a DDR on your reply @-makecents-, but you left it out of your edit.

I'm actually still having some problems distinguishing between a double die and machining errors.
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cc https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=mds

Wexler https://doubleddie.com/448712.html

One listing on cc and a few on Wexler. Like I said though, I cannot tell if what you are seeing is just from the light glare.
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Hi, after looking at it again with fresh eyes and taking a few days off, it's not what I thought it was--the 1988 penny with the reverse of 89's--I can now tell by the font and having seen an actual 89 pennies reverse side, the 1988 penny shown above is the normal 1988.
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RDV-005 is the normal die. That is what you have.
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That explains it, I didn't see that distinction and differences until I saw the penny under my new microscope camera. Thank you for the explanation and images coop, going above and beyond by posting those pictures, I appreciate you doing so!
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Seeing is understanding. I like to help posters see what I see on their coins. Images help. Explains don't always hit the target. Copy images you enjoy. But they are a lot harder to find when you searching back for them. So save them when you see them. If keeps yourself from the kicking machine:
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