King John Short Cross Penny, Class 5B? Update - Class 7A3 Henry III, 1220-1222

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t360 Pillar of the Community United States 2703 Posts	Posted 02/16/2022 7:34 pm I've been trying to catch up on cataloging my collection, and came across this English penny today. Please check my attribution, and let me know either way. Thanks! 1205-1207 John Short Cross type class 5b? Obv: hENRICVS R \| EX Rev: ILGER ON LVND Edited by t360 02/17/2022 08:39 am Report this Post to the Staff

JohnConduitt Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 725 Posts	Posted 02/16/2022 8:41 pm The moneyer is ILGER ON LVND, which means it has to be somewhere between Class 5b1 and 7b2. But I can't see any pellets in the hair ringlets, which you'd find in Class 5. The beard isn't made of neat vertical strokes, there's no collar and there doesn't seem to be a pellet on the chin, which are also Class 5 features. I think it might be Class 7a3 (Henry III, 1220-1222, Spink 1356A), which has a rounder face and long whiskers, teardrop-shaped eyes and no pellets in the hair curls or on the chin. The cross on the crown points to the right of the letter E, which means it is 7a3 rather than 7b1. Edited by JohnConduitt 02/16/2022 8:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff
NumisRob Bedrock of the Community United Kingdom 17951 Posts	Posted 02/17/2022 03:29 am Quote: I think it might be Class 7a3 (Henry III, 1220-1222, Spink 1356A) As soon as I saw the portrait I thought it looked more like a Henry III coin. But they are sometimes very hard to attribute! This site is a good resource for English hammered silver pennies: https://www.rodblunt.com/short-cross-pennies My Trade List: https://goccf.com/t/194596 My Wants List: https://goccf.com/t/191710 Report this Post to the Staff
t360 Pillar of the Community United States 2703 Posts	Posted 02/17/2022 05:03 am @JohnConduitt Thank you for sharing your knowledge. This is very helpful. @NumisRob Looks like a really good web site to help figure these out! Thank you. Report this Post to the Staff
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