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Here's one that I am pretty sure is a counterfeit, but it has so much real-looking stuff going on that you just have to say "what if?" What it has is the slide marks from the second strike, the distortion of the F in FIVE near the rim, and the second strike is nice and thin and expanded like it should be. What it also has is what look like pretty clear signs of casting on some of the surfaces. Plus it's a key date and would be worth six fortunes so worth ginning up a solid-looking counterfeit. Also note the very cool die crack on the reverse of the second strike. I suspect there are more of these floating around out there. 1921-S Buffalo nickel flip over double strike - counterfeit     |
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Very cool piece bats! How did you come across this one?
Agree, some aspects of this coin look legitimate, but some of the devices just look off and incorrect to me. The die crack being the biggest issue, which should be apparent on both sides given it's the "same die". Counterfeit for me, but a very cool one and one I wouldn't mind owning in the least. Curious what the rim looks like on this one.
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Quick-O edge shot. Also looks quite normal with the vertical striping present as well as light beveling. I should add that the weight is a beefy 5.34g.  |
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Thanks bats! Not too shabby, edge looks good sans some light porosity. Definitely overweight. Very Interesting counterfeit indeed. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled, hope there's others out there!
Edit: @TB, how did you come to acquire this one?
Edited by Ty2020b
03/04/2022 12:23 am
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Ah! Forgot to answer that. I bought it from a well-known error coin collector and specialist when he stopped by the other day. We agreed it was a fake but I still gave him $25 for it as truly one of the greats. And I'd never seen another one so figured not a super common one.
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Very nice pickup and price  I'm jealous. |
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TROP you was right again. Only the rim seem to be OK (I think Spence mention) It is for the first time I see a fake at this level for 1921 $. I have one somewhere here in the office but MS 63 and according by my notes combine with the others has not same characteristic. I combine the two photos and show where are the main distortions in the strike and show is fake. an XRF of this I will like to have. Please compare the black circles with the other photo. I am sorry for who say nice buy.  |
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Thanks everyone for the comments! As far as counterfeits go this one is pretty high up there on my favorite list. Also encouraging that half a dozen people didn't chime in as say, "oh yeah, I've got one of those." Agree that XRF would be interesting for this one.
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@Trop If you like those, from now one I will keep for you instead to send to metal recuperation, and then you will have fun. Any time I can send you some extraordinary.
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Really interesting counterfeit, thanks for sharing. I also see the "second strike" is missing the enhanced hair detail at the top of the braid that is present on all (and only) the 1921's and easily apparent on the "first strike". The "second strike" must be a copy from a different year Buffalo nickel. |
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Very interesting. Is the coin itself counterfeit or is the error counterfeit, is the question. I'm thinking the error was manufactured but the coin itself is genuine.
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@ CalzoneManiac. Interesting question. was a time in which the market has a lot of this from China, then from others sources also including US. China stop those replica for now. The original was 750 AG and those replicas are 800 Ag or 825 Ag. In this case at the first look I catch the replica or simulation just by the color of the material then two different dies involved..
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Posted 03/03/2022 11:51 pm
