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Edited by Heymikep
03/05/2022 11:26 pm
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I'm looking at both coins side by side, and it doesn't appear to be the same coin, comparing NGC coin it has more details then the one graded by PCGS. The reverse eagle feather is nearly full in NGC holder.
Edited by macmercury
03/06/2022 12:05 am
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The coin does not belong in a Straight Grade holder at AU53. NGC is taking care of someone by putting a straight grade on the coin. There is no way that a small time submitter gets that grade.
Edited by Slider23
03/06/2022 09:24 am
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Macmercury, it is amazing how lighting can change the look of a coin. It is actually the same coin in both links, if you look closely on both the obverse and reverse there are some key identifiers that match both sets of coins. I will add pics tomorrow showing the points that match.
Edited by Heymikep
03/06/2022 12:17 am
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@Heymikep,
I look forward in seeing the pictures.
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I agree that both coins are the same with the same key identifying flaws. The displacement in the field on the right side of the obverse and the die crack at about 7:00 . I also agree that the NGC graded coin should not be straight graded. Looks like a AU details improperly cleaned to me based upon the hairlines in the fields unless that is on the lens of the holder . Not a coin I would be excited about if I had to pay that kind of money.
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Heritage close up shots tend to be the most accurate in terms of color and surfaces. Their slab shot tends to be a bit washed out and overexposed, kind of like Greatcollections. NGC has by far the worst images. They ALWAYS appear cleaned, surfaces reflective, lack of true color. I wouldn't trust the NGC slabbed photos in the least.
That said, focusing only on reliable images, the up close Heritage photos don't look bad. For a Damaged coin, I could see this being up to the grader. I tend to lean towards calling it damage (obverse fields), but it's on the more minor and acceptable side, teetering on the edge of straight grade. My 2 cents.
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Here are the updated images with markers to confirm the same coin. What I still do not understand is why you cannot find the older PCGS serial number from PCGS's certification site from the damaged slab? Why has it been removed? I did not want to use date placement, mintmark position or die cracks as those could be found on any of the same die marriage coins. Images from Heritage,  Images from NGC Verify,  Since the NGC image is not the best to get a sample of I took the image from the sellers site, please note that the NGC serial numbers do match both seller coin and NGC Verify site.  Edited by Heymikep
03/06/2022 11:53 am
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@Heymikep,
Thank you for you time in pointing it out.
Your pictures definitely show me that is the same coin with the identical marks in the same location, there is one thing that puzzle me is how NGC photo shows more ripples in the gown beneath her breast area. Lighting can be deceptive for sure.
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Looks like they either cracked it from the PCGS slab, dipped it, and sent it off to NGC, or had it conserved with NCS before grading.
Looked better before it was messed with (shown in the Heritage pics)
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