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1913 T1 Buffalo 5c Double F - Never Seen One B4

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Please let me know if this would bring a premium or if this is an expected event and not a big deal.

What variety would this be called: assuming it is a variety?

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What are you talking about? Looks like a 1915. Too much wear.
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...talking about?


This is what I am talking about!


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It's kind of difficult to see the upper part of the NW F punch , so I outlined it with a yellow right angle.

The intersecting horiz and vert. yellow line edges provide an outer parallel enclosure deliniating the faint depression of the upper-right-stamped F.


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Looks like a 1915.


No it isn't.




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Assuming both Fs are equal in size, the shorter/lower horizontal crosslet of the NW/fainter F should be located directly beneath the longer/upper crosslet of the more pronounced F.
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Guessing this is just coincident circulation damage. Can't be a double F, which is incuse to begin with.
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That secondary F looks raised to me, including the vertical bar.

I'm not versed in Buff's but that sure seems like it might be hub doubling.
(Seems like the date should show signs of doubling as well if it is, but I'm not seeing any thickness there.)

How about a closeup image of LIBERTY?
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...a closeup image of LIBERTY?


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#2:

from a different angle:

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You should overlay a picture of a mint state 1913 so all the number line up perfectly, then look at location / size of the "F". I'm guessing that the F will cover the entire space left to right and is crossed by the left most vertical line which might be damage or a die gouge.
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...overlay a picture of a mint state 1913



I know what an overlay is but am unsure of the process you are referring to. Could you please do what you suggest here so I will learn the steps to arrive at the desired end result most efficiently?
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These are incuse devices. So slight Machine Doubling will create a doubling affect. On your coin you should also see Machine Doubling on the sides of the devices in the same direction. Just like MD on the VDB, will show enlarged devices.
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Not a doubled die.
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As Coop said, this could be Machine Doubling. Or the secondary incuse vertical bar could simply be a random contact mark that happens to be located where it could be interpreted as a letter trace.
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