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1917 1c DDO Vs 1917 1c FS-101

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I've noticed on the PCGS website that there are "Major" varieties and specific dies depending on the coin and year, as an example. I understand most of it, what I don't understand is what factors differentiate a coin from being a DDO vs a specific die designation. To me they look exactly the same. Specifically, I'm looking at the 1917 DDO right now. The designation "fs-101" and DDO look exactly the same. Wouldn't be an issue except, it seems the DDO commands a premium. Please explain.
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They are the same.

The FS-101 designation is short for Fivas-Stanton, a couple of numismatists who are best known for their extensive cataloging of varieties. They are the authors of the Cherry Picker's Guides, one of the seminal works in the field.

PCGS has decided that they will only attribute varieties assigned an FS number, so on their website they only list those specific varieties. If a coin has multiple varieties for a given year, such as the 2004 Cent currently showing 68 different DDR's according to Variety Vista, PCGS is only going to show on their website the ones (actually only one) with an FS designation.

The PCGS website is sometimes confusing because they can list the same variety multiple times, however. Your 1917 DDO, for instance, is listed as a "Major Variety" without the FS designation and under a separate list as a Die Variety as FS-101. They are the same variety, though. I don't know why they do this as it seems confusingly redundant.

One nice feature of Doubleddie.com is that they will list all the various attributions for a variety to help clarify things. Under 1917 DDO they have 5 different attribution codes from the major variety cataloguers so that you can compare them all to your coin. Variety Vista, on the other hand, only lists the CONECA attribution and the FS number.

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Thank you for answering my questions. You couldn't have done it better. I'm well aware of all the different variety cataloging systems. I assumed they were the same thing. What didn't make sense was why a fs-101 didn't command the $ a " DDO" does when they are exactly the same thing. There are a lot of nuance's in the Coin World I'm still learning. Thank you again to everyone.
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I feel the this answer was so correct, I put the question and answer on a image to others could benefit it also:
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CoopHome: The designation "fs-101" and DDO-001 look exactly the same. Why different numbers?
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... They are the same variety, though. I don't know why they do this as it seems confusingly redundant. ....


I believe one is a designation they charge extra for and the other is a free designation. More $ for the more specific designation and therefore more valuable (in their mind?).

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