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 Posted 04/11/2022  9:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ljbell62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this coin on the banks of the Tennessee River. Neep help identifying. I was about to discern 9 8 2 on one side of the coin. Any help would be greatly appreciated!


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 Posted 04/11/2022  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@lbj, first welcome to CCF. Second, can you please also give us the weight and diameter of this piece? Thx.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ljbell62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
iThank you! t is about 1 inch in diameter and weighs about 5.6 grams
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 Posted 04/12/2022  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fplagge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot help you to identify this piece, but I also see your 9, 8, 2.
The flip side is quite unusual and interesting.
I particularly like the edging. It is a beautiful piece.
Here's hoping you can learn more about it and share it with us.
Congratulations on your find.
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 Posted 04/12/2022  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I as well can offer no help in identifying it but someone will come along that can shed light onto its story.

Edit: I thought that since the obverse (?) was stamped so clearly and well that the Coinoscope app would have come up with something but nothing even close unfortunately.
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Where are the digits? I don't see any.

It looks to me like a decorative piece, possibly something to put into a hole left when drilling wood to cover the end of the bolt. But it also looks like something might have been attached or there was a hook -- look around 1:00 in the second picture.

It doesn't look like a coin. The monogram is too heavy and it seems to be a one-sided stamping (but not like any uniface coins I've seen).
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Could the figures on the obverse include the number one, as well? The central design looks like a fancy "1". If so, could the numbers be the year 1892?
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Where are the digits? I don't see any.

They're hiding in plain sight, intertwined with each other in the top pic:

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The "9" is red, the "8" is blue, and the "2" is green.

I would also agree that there's supposed to be a central "1", which marked in orange. And given the context, I would also agree it to be a chronogram for "1892". Rather than "1982"; the piece isn't "modern" enough for 1982, but making crazy monograms and chronograms like that was all the rage back in the late 1800s.

As for what it actually, is, my first guess is some kind of button; the elaborate edge looks way too fancy for a token.
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I'm impressed that so many who have checked out this topic saw that 982. My eyes missed it.
The monogram on the other side reminds me a bit of the "H" monogram of the medieval state of Hainaut, though I'm 100% sure that's just coincidence. Look at enough coins, and your brain catalogs something to resemble just about anything .

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wow!! you guys are amazing!
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I keep pondering the reverse design. Is this some type of tow bar coupling mechanism? Maybe river barge or rail, or a drawbridge locking device?
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I keep pondering the reverse design. Is this some type of tow bar coupling mechanism? Maybe river barge or rail, or a drawbridge locking device?

It's just interlocked letters, in the style that was very common from the late 1800s to the 1920s, when Art Deco replaced Art Nouveau styles and ornate monograms went out of fashion.

Exactly which letters still puzzles me. Best guess, is two interlocked letter "H"s.
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Exactly which letters still puzzles me. Best guess, is two interlocked letter "H"s.



I briefly considered an H and two Es, but one would be backward which I don't think would have been done.
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Ahhh, I see the two "H" interlocks now.

Let me toss out another (remote) possibility. The central figure is a diamond. What if the interlocking letters "H.H" are first and middle initials, and the central diamond is shorthand for a last name? I'm still pondering the anchor-like and the woodgrain appearance of the designs.

Here's the thought. There was an "H.H. Diamond" who was a Union soldier in the Tennessee Cavalry, and was a survivor of the S.S. Sultana disaster. The survivors attended annual reunions in Tennessee.

Again, just a wild thought, but the initials would be right and the design has some elements that suggest a ship, and there is a Tennessee connection.

Too far fetched? Or at least an outside chance?

That's enough speculation while grazing on lunch.

Thanks for indulging the speculation.

EDIT: H.H. Diamond apparently was in the 3rd Tennessee,. Most of that regiment's members lived in Knox and Blount Counties, very close to the Tennessee River. Hmmmmm.
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The link to the Sultana and HH Diamond is a very strong and interesting possibility!! Thank you!!!
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