Unknown Coin. Need Help. (Id: 13th Century Denaro)

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Anzelmas Valued Member Sweden 171 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 09:29 am Hi, m8s! Can somebody identify this coin? Billon (?) Max diameter 15.70 mm Weight 0.37 g Report this Post to the Staff

january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5172 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 12:18 pm This looks like one of those Western European attempts to imitate an English penny. I could swear I've seen those facing birds (?) somewhere before... but the rest of it doesn't seem to match my recollection. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 5:29 pm Quote: I could swear I've seen those facing birds (?) somewhere before... I am seeing an eagle (maybe crowned) with spread wings facing right (edit: facing left to the observer). Quick guess is a denaro of Sicily in the name of one of the emperors Frederick (I think I can see FRED .... MP on the eagle side which would be consistent). More research should be able to rule this in or out... Edited by tdziemia 04/27/2022 5:40 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Anzelmas Valued Member Sweden 171 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 5:30 pm Maybe it's not a very good quality photo, but it looks like one bird with spreaded wings on the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 5:37 pm Something like this: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2734009 I will now correct my reading of your legend, where I think we are seeing FRED .... RE. Not sure if the objects in the corners of the cross are the same. But I think this is very close. Edit: Maybe even closer- https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5066106 The eagle is crowned and the objects in the corners of cross may be a better match Edited by tdziemia 04/27/2022 5:46 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Anzelmas Valued Member Sweden 171 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 5:53 pm tdziemia, with your good kick I found one like mine also. But the site says it is: Holy Roman Empire - Hohenstaufen Germany, Italy, Sicily, Jerusalem Frederick II Hohenstaufen 1194 - 1250 Denaro, Palermo mint, 1209 - 1213 http://medievalcoins.ancients.info/...unction=form Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 7:51 pm I could not open the link. Yes, this link for the same coin as in my last post (ref. Spahr 86) also gives it a date range 1209-1213, but with less certainty on the mint: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2734007 Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 04/27/2022 8:31 pm Too many titles can lead to confusion. He was first Frederick I, king of Sicily, and later Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor (there had already been an emperor named Frederick). For early issues as king, Frederick I is appropriate. For later issues as emperor, Frederick II. Edited by Kushanshah 04/27/2022 8:39 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Anzelmas Valued Member Sweden 171 Posts	Posted 04/28/2022 05:20 am Thanks, Kushanshah, for good info Yes, my link is not opening. Very strange... Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 04/28/2022 10:03 am This date range is before he was emperor, hence the legend ends REX (not IMP), though at the time he was king of both Germany and Sicily (nice job if you can get it ) Report this Post to the Staff
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