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Hi ALL, To ask to the TOPIC: TOPIC_ID=421065 Like promise I will post the differences of the very contested SMS for 1965. IMO wee have two different HUBS.(master). In 1965 San Francisco was still close, so Phil has to Stuck some sets of the SMS, which they do. The demand was there so till San Francisco open they struck some sets. Those was in plastic sets and no in cello. Cello was use only by San Francisco. The main difference it is in the texture of the metal. Phil blanks was better polish witch brink us today what the TPG say CAM. I will not make all the history here, but other main it is the San Francisco struck between Sept and Oct 1966 those sets to accomplish the production and it is a very week strike and the quality IMO lower then the business strike. Here you have the first part of the coins to compare. I choice the better coins in 68 (I broke the slabs). Source: Direct from the MINT.  Tomorow or Monday I will post the Reverse. Edited by silviosi
04/30/2022 11:02 pm
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Silviosi,
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05/01/2022 09:51 am
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How do you know which coin came from which mint - the mint marks have been removed during theses years...
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I wondered that also. Maybe had them in different slabs/ cello and plastic?
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Well the master hub was the same for both the SMS and the business strikes. But the differences would probably be in the dies themselves. The business strikes will be more coin struck by them. So they would be more reasonable to show die polishing. On the SMS, they were probably a limited number of strikes per die, so less polishing probably happened to these. So if any of the coins struck with either sets of dies, have smaller sized devices, that is from die polishing. If the devices are full sized, then they were pre-polishing examples. That would be the differences. They were all the same masters used for die creations.
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I agree that maybe was same master hub. What is for me to say Phil or San you can see and compare in the next photos. Explain what I look first on Observe: the hairs design not same and second it is the digit "1". on San is closer to the letter "G" then the line of the letter "N" do no come on the same place down to "1" ( San it is more inside and the Phil correspond with the begin of the bottom "1"). Was no MM on those years true, but any coin has his own signature. You folks judge how you want and arrange yours collections on your will. I put here the differences because I was ask, and I know not many collect Halves or quarters by varieties of dies and design. On those picture the Left is San Francisco strike and Right is Philadelphia.  |
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Again note the sizes of the devices. The image on the right has smaller devices, indicating it is a polished die example. Note the top right image, on the left side the one, you can see that area reduced from the polishing. Proving that die polishing does reduce the fields and the overall size of the devices.
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I understand and agree with your explanation, but for me still be some points to see the differences between the two strikes and classify. Sure the Phil has blanks better and different polish then San.
PS: COOP for me is funny. 1963 till 1967 Phil has betters strikes then Denver. Then till 1970 Denver was the best followed by Phil and San, and from 1971 San followed by Denver and last Phil.
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05/01/2022 2:11 pm
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No, my question in how do you know that one set was from San Fran and the other from Philly? Or Denver for that matter. All 3 mints made the 1965 SMS sets, all 3 did NOT put their mint mark on the coins OR the packaging.
The coins, I'll agree are different from each other, BUT, being that they all became a generic coin set with no identifiers as to which mint they were minted at - How do you know which is which?
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The SMS 1965 was struck only in Phil and San. Apparently not more then 15k sets put in slabs set was done in Phil. The rest was in San and was in cello and ship in the envelope with the strange S.S. instead of the SMS. Other is no San has CAM. Denver do not struck 1965 they help San with the production of the 1966 because San Francisco reopen in August 1966.
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05/01/2022 2:20 pm
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Where are you getting your intel from? PCGS? care to share?
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No the Mint Director report of the coins struck till 1980.
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@ DEAR, I look for some liks that I have who I think are all free. I have others that is with approve and pay. I will try to do an list and post and will be up to anyone to choice. I do not hide. Hope is OK for the moment. I will not be everyday here due to the fact I stay more in my country's house now and the time of the net is very limited. https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp...12-08-31.pdfhttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt...37&skin=2021I will start with those one. All have a great day. PS. I work to put the reverse of the halves differences here, and also on the first link if you go back you can choice what year you want to read; I am not sure if possible to download or print, some me I read and then ask copies and pay for. It is the case for those links? try. Edited by silviosi
05/03/2022 2:54 pm
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Posted 05/01/2022 11:02 am
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
