Boeotia Thebes AR Stater C363-338 BC Boetian Shield/Amphora R: Timo (Magistrate)

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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 05/27/2022 11:32 pm Your thoughts appreciated on the latest acquisition. Maybe I should have waited for a better centered one, but the coin caught my eye and I really liked it. Thanks! BOEOTIA, Thebes. Circa 363-338 BC.. Obv: Boeotian shield Rev: Amphora; TI-MO named magistrate across field Spec: 12.16 g, 20-21 mm, silver Ref: BCD Boiotia 556; HGC 4, 1334: SNG Copenhagen 351 Thebes was the largest city of the ancient region of Boeotia and was the leader of the Boeotian confederacy. It was a major rival of ancient Athens, and sided with the Persians during the 480 BC invasion under Xerxes. Theban forces under the command of Epaminondas ended the power of Sparta at the Battle of Leuctra in 371 BC. The Sacred Band of Thebes (an elite military unit) famously fell at the Battle of Chaeronea in 338 BC against Philip II and Alexander the Great. Prior to its destruction by Alexander in 335 BC, Thebes was a major force in Greek history, and was the most dominant city-state at the time of the Macedonian conquest of Greece. During the Byzantine period, the city was famous for its silks. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 05/27/2022 11:35 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 05/27/2022 11:44 pm Impressive coin with a great rendition of the amphora. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 05/27/2022 11:50 pm Thanks Bob L. Being new at this really appreciate hearing your thoughts. There was one other candidate that I was considering. I really liked that it was so well-centered on both sides, but I was wondering if the round protrusion in the crevice to the right of the shield was damage. The coin was described as plated and apparently the coin was a specimen displayed in a traveling exhibition called "The true and the false" which I don't know anything about. Ultimately I opted for the coin in the earlier post. Let me know if I made a huge mistake in my choice. Boeotia,THEBES - Fourree SILVER STATER (plated), Issue: 378-338 BC Obv: Boeotian shield Rev: Amphora Mint: Thebes Ref: B.M.C., 183; Metal: AR / SILVER Weight: gr. 12,12, (MG89009) Diam.: mm. 21,82 Grade: good VF (45/70) PROVENANCE: Ex Numismatica Ars Classica. Desc: Coin in exceptional grade taking in consideration that is a plated specimen. The coin is one of the specimens displayed in the traveling exhibition "The true and the false." IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 05/27/2022 11:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 12:03 am You can see the base metal core through that spot you mention. I think you made a good choice. The amphora on yours is more impressive. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 12:11 am Suppose that since it said "Fourree" in the description of the coin I opted out of, they are telling me it is a base metal copy of the famous coin. Maybe I should pay more attention reading. Was too engrossed in examining the images to pay attention to what they were telling me. I thought it might be a plated example of a genuine coin, but I guess it's too in your face to just call it counterfeit or fake, although it might be more helpful. Guess the perfect centering of the strike on both sides of the coin was too good to be true. Thanks for the continued help. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 05/28/2022 12:20 am Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 12:19 am Yes, a copy, but still ancient and very collectible. However, you made the right choice, IMO. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 12:25 am Are there a lot of ancient contemporary copies/fakes? Do they authenticate the ancient contemporary aspect by dating the metal through radioisotopic or other similar methods? Even if you could date the metal, wouldn't a savvy, entrepreneurial counterfeiter strike a rare design using transfer dies onto a known genuine Greek stater that is more common? Not that this applies to this situation as the Thebes stater is fairly common, but other, rarer issues can fetch astronomical prices making it more worthwhile. Sorry for the barrage of questions. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 05/28/2022 12:36 am Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 01:16 am I am envious. I have bee looking for a nice example of this general type for many years. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34402 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 02:11 am Quote: Are there a lot of ancient contemporary copies/fakes? Yes. Just as with US coins, you need to know your seller and, ideally, some of the provenance. There are several sticky threads here listing some unsavory sellers and some good ones. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Novicius Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 1168 Posts	Posted 05/28/2022 08:34 am What a beautiful coin. Congrats. Report this Post to the Staff
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