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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice variety! I didn't need the bifocals for that one.
I'm at VF-35 technical, but possible details for ED, depending on how the reverse looks in hand. The strike weakness requires whole-coin grading. The rims and denticles are way too strong for F-anything. The better struck areas of the obverse suggest VF-30/35 at a minumum, and the better struck areas of the reverse almost push EF-40. That's why I net it to VF-35 technical.
A lot of the reverse looks like surface gunk, but when I played with the color, there is verdigris. I'm guessing it's going to do the acetone backstroke when it comes in?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks as always fortcollins. If you can post the images you saw that show the verdigris it would be greatly appreciated. I also manipulated the contrast, brightness, etc on the images to see if anything popped out and didn't catch the verdigris. Would be helpful to see where it sits.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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As I adjusted further, I wonder if these are the areas you saw. When it comes in I'll have to make the return--remediate decision and hopefully if there is an issue with verdigris, I'll have my verdi-care ready in case it looks promising for remediation.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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@numismatic student, Yeppers. That's what I was seeing. There's another spot on the arrow shafts.
From the pic, it doesn't look fatal, though, especially on a silver coin.
EDIT: Also, trying to assess the condition from a pic is always a gamble. It may just be surface gunk.
EDIT EDIT (last one, I promise): It's possible that the obverse was already conserved. That may give a feel for how the reverse would do.
Edited by fortcollins
06/11/2022 1:28 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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My hope is that it isn't the dreaded PVC damage. We'll find out shortly. Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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For sure on PVC. If it is PVC, the obverse would also show the result of that damage, and I don't see it on the pics. Here's hoping!
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Pillar of the Community
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VF Details, obv cleaned, rev ED and possible damage across the shield.
Cool variety, but not a fan of the eye appeal.
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Bedrock of the Community
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she might clean up with veridcare and the verdigris does need remediated. the obverse is definitely weak strike with the standout LIBERTY and right field stars as well as the date fortcollins called it that the coin needs to be graded by the overall coin. the reverse looks high XF even AU details wise but the coin is still going to pull a details designation no matter what. I can see why FC netted it to VF35.
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VF detail, may be salvageable with conservation. I wouldn't try to do it yourself but rather send it to the experts to see what they can do. A soak in pure acetone can't hurt, though.
Edited by fenton
06/12/2022 1:28 pm
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VF-30 details, cleaned/ED.
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