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1857 Midnight Minter Coins Question

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There are several 1857 coins with clashed dies from dies intended for different denominations. These include the 1857 Flying Eagle cent clashed with a Seated Liberty quarter reverse, 1857 flying eagle obverse clashed with seated liberty half obverse and 1857 flying eagle obverse clashed with $20 liberty gold obverse.

Since the dies were obviously setup, do any actual coins exist with the different obverse and reverse denominations? I've never heard of any.
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From a Heritage listing:
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Although earlier researchers theorized about a "Midnight Minter" clandestinely clashing dies (perhaps night watchman Theodore Eckfeldt), later research points to denomination changeovers and the relative position of dies in the "hammer" and "anvil" positions as the likely culprit. The Flying Eagle cent reverse was customarily used in the "hammer" die position, while the reverses of the Seated Liberty quarter, half, and the Coronet double eagle were customarily used in the "anvil" die position. When the coinage press was being changed from one denomination to another to meet the changing coinage requirements, the collar would have to be removed as well as the dies and the press cycled to adjust the die spacing. This could lead to a die from one denomination in the "hammer" position clashing with a die from another denomination in the "anvil" position. This possibility is further borne out by the die clashes being aligned right-side up, rather than rotated 180 degrees as seen on normally clashed dies.
I don't know why you'd deliberately install the wrong die just to clash them without making any coins. I'm thinking the latter explanation quoted is more likely, and they never struck any planchets with it set up wrong.
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I don't know why you'd deliberately install the wrong die just to clash them without making any coins


People do things that are hard to understand or explain all the time.
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Cause somebody wanting more work fixing or making new dies to make more money?
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