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Suppression Of Platinum & Gold Prices?

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 Posted 02/16/2009  1:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add markapsolon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just picked up the February issue of COINage the other day. I read an interesting article about the price of gold by Ed Reiter. He interviewed Scott Travers who from Mr Reiter's interview seemed to say that the US government might be artificially pushing down the price of gold. The article does make sense with the NYC spot price not really matching what bullion etc are selling for in the real market. However I think it would not be gold that would be suppressed but the price of Platinum. If you can keep the price of Platinum at an artificial level then gold will stay artificial. Gold will never past Platinum in rarity and will allows be higher (even though Platinum did past gold for a brief period a few weeks ago, but if fell below again). What do you guys think of this? It is almost impossible to find Platinum eagles on the market from 2008 and the slabbed one you do find are a fortune, which would indicate a market valve far from the NYC spot valve as I said before. Anyhow I just have been thinking about this since I read the article and wanted to voice my thoughts.
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It strikes me that gold prices are on a rebound over last November's low--so what's not to like, and how is that "artificial suppression"? In normal business news, somewhere the interviewer would pointedly ask: "Mr. Travers, do you have any personal holdings in gold or platinum?" Something to ask yourself in a rather uncertain economy and wildly fluctuating equity/metals/commodity prices--who stands to benefit from such "news", er spin?

P.S--I like those fun coin collecting vids you've produced.
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Hey! It's the greenscreen guy!

Well, I think it all depends on demand. If you have a super ice cream that is only made once in 5000 years, sure it's going to be more expensive than the one machine made. But, if your 5k ice cream starts to melt, you have to sell it at a price meeting your demand.

Never mind. Once the economy pics up again, platinum will be over at least $2500.

As for right now, the stimulus is probably going to fail, so stock up on: Yen, Dollars, Metals in that order because if the stimulus fails, people will start demanding a haven to put their money in that doesn't inflate. As of right now, a big part of that haven currency is the dollar.
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 Posted 02/17/2009  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markapsolon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the way the gov is spending money I would expect the dollar to fall. I do not see the US getting out of this economic "depression" (oh no I used that word!) anytime soon. IMO we have been digging ourselves into this economic mess since the 1970's and now we cant get out of the hole we created. I think gold should be at lest 1500 ounce and Platinum at 2500 an ounce right now. The demand and economic outlook are screaming for it. However, it would be in the US gov's best interest to keep it low because then the dollar would fall etc etc etc. I know Reiter talked in the article about the double market for bullion "real prices" vs "NYC prices" and it is true. I sold some bullion the other day and got well over spot for it which is very odd because most of the time it is 5% from spot or for eagles spot.


LOL green guru. Thanks guys oh and by the way I am working on several more spare change videos. Its kind of been hard to get these guys finished due to the fact I have nt money backing it (LOLLOLOL that was a funny pun) all just in my free video editing time. If you know of someone that might want to help sponsor the series let me know
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The 'big boys' selling off their paper precious metal futures to meet their margin calls when the Dow was in freefall last October was hardly a government 'artificial suppression' of spot prices. That was a big paper sell-off that had nothing to do with the 'small-scale' physical bullion market. If anything, the paper futures sell-off only increased demand for physical gold/silver! And now that the 'big paper' is sold off, we don't have that 'boat anchor' on spot values anymore. (just look at the Kitco charts from November 2008 onward, even Platinum is recovering from the bottom trough...)

As for the Platinum coins, I would say that's more of a case of 'numismatic value'. High-grade slabbed Eagles of any sort do sell for more than raw coins. All Platinum coins are very low mintage. The U.S. Mint recently discontinued all of the 'collector' versions except for the one-ounce Proof, so that adds extra numismatic value to the discontinued versions. In fact, even the 2009 Platinum Eagle one-ounce Proof may not be produced (Mint News Blog), thus increasing demand for 2008 and earlier coins.

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markapsolon "I do not see the US getting out of this economic "depression" anytime soon."

Platinum spot price won't go past $2K until new car sales rise significantly (thus creating demand for platinum in their catalytic converters), so don't hold your breath for a big rise in platinum until 2012-2015 or so... Even if the economy is still struggling in 2012, demand for new cars may slightly rise simply because of age and attrition of the existing vehicle fleet (which of course increases when large numbers of people aren't buying new cars!).

Yes, I do think that Platinum will go back up rather nicely once there is a full economic recovery. But even you don't think that's going to happen anytime soon (as I quoted above), so why not buy gold (or even silver) for now and gain some value during this 'depression', not just after it ends?

That said, Platinum would be a good thing to grab just before the economy recovers (2012 to 2015?!).

PS: Your videos are neat!
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02/19/2009 11:58 pm
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Gold just passed $1,000 again, how high will it go this spike?
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