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United States
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What coins are so rare, that even finding a photo of that coin on the internet somewhere is extremely hard or next to impossible?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Baktria 20 drachms. Unique. Was in the British Museum, but it was stolen, never recovered. It was photographed before it was stolen, but cannot be photographed now.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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There are hundreds, possibly thousands. If you browse through Numista, most coins lacking a photo fit this description
The most prominent that comes to mind is the 1492 florin of the Duchy of Lorraine. considered by Levinson to be the earliest dated coin of "France" though this region was not part of France back then.
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 Australia
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It should also perhaps be added that just because you can't find a picture of it, doesn't mean it's rare. Saw a train wreck of a thread on another coin forum, where someone posted a 1985 Bermuda cent, and because they couldn't find any other pictures of 1985 Bermuda cents anywhere else on the Internet, they assumed and insisted it must be super-rare and valuable. Nope, it's just such a common coin, and found across a fairly broad date range, that nobody had ever bothered photographing one of that specific date. While this scenario is less likely for modern coins, it's really rather common for older coins that have extensive date ranges. A rare coin, no matter how rare it is, is highly likely to get itself photographed and splashed across the internet, if it (a) gets sold by a big auction house, or (b) becomes part of a prominent Museum collection such as the Smithsonian or British Museum. A rare coin that stays in private hands and/or is locked away in a small obscure museum that isn't disseminating its collection catalogue, is not only unlikely to be photographed, but may not even be properly catalogued - so collectors at large will likely be completely unaware of its existence. Most mysterious of all, of course, are the rare coins that are photographed and catalogued in old auction lists or otherwise have records of existence, but which seem to have disappeared completely. Like that Bactrian coin Sel mentioned. Or 1964-D Peace dollars.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Ancient coins, in particular, are prone to this, since a great many of them are languishing in poorly-documented museums in countries like Greece, Turkey and Italy. An excellent example I can think of: the coins of Roman "emperor" Domitian II. He was emperor for just a few days, back in the mid-200s AD. A single coin in his name was found in France in the early 1900s, and was long considered to be a hoax - until they found the second one in 2003 in Britain, buried in a pot alongside a couple thousand other Roman coins, so it had impeccable provenance and was definitively not a hoax or modern concoction; this second coin wound up in the Ashmolean Museum in England. A third coin, found in 2006 in Bulgaria, is still considered questionable because, well, Bulgaria. Pictures of the second coin are common as mud on the Internet, because the story got splashed across the Numismatic News outlets and forums, and even in the popular press. Even Wikipedia has a picture of it. But pictures of that first coin are much harder to locate, because it's still sitting in an obscure museum somewhere in France, and any Internet search for "Domitian II coin" is likely to get flooded with pictures of that second coin, along with all the false hits from coins of Domitian I, and of the later Egyptian usurper Domitius Domitianus.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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Thought about this topic in my area of interest - Spanish colonial. I've heard the Chiloe peso is rare enough that only one genuine example is known and others sold at auction are counterfeits or forgeries. You can find pictures of it online, but it's unclear if they are pictures of the genuine coin or the fakes. Also, Carlos Jara's book on the subject only had 40 copies printed... so I'm hoping to snag a copy sometime in the next decade to learn more, lol.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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 Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Sigismund III, 1616 ternar, crown type; apparently attributed to Poznan mint now, though historically attribution varied. AFAICT not in Krause, though the rarer Poznan (keys) type is listed. I've seen some photos of later dates (they come up for auction sometimes), but never found another 1616. I have no idea if mine is actually real or a (probably contemporary) counterfeit; compared to the later dates it seems much more coppery. It took me ages to find another pic of a Bohemian 1/4 kipper kreuzer, as well; catalogs said "silver", my coin was copper or very low billon [that's my coin on the Numista page, though due to an unfortunate misunderstanding it's not attributed], and I wasn't sure if that was a red flag. Eventually I found some pics after searching for "1/4 krajcar", and it turned out that they were supposed to be that red. I recall that a few coins on the "unusual denominations" thread were not listed (and/or listed as unconfirmed) because we couldn't find a picture to confirm that the coin actually had the denomination written on it. One that comes to mind was Venetian Cyprus countermarked 19 soldi; I found some articles mentioning that it existed, but nothing with a picture - not even a drawing. I think there were a few German States examples as well?
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Pillar of the Community
Luxembourg
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Many Iranian Civic coppers are quite rare. They were ment for local usage only and generally for a limited time. Those that survived are often well worn. On this one, I suppose the mint any maybe year of issue to be onthe center cartouche between the scales. I did not manage to find another picture of this coin on the net.  So should you happen to find a picture of this coin with a cartouche that is not worn down, pleqse don't forget to let me know.
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Germany
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Posted by @threefifty: Quote: Thought about this topic in my area of interest - Spanish colonial. I've heard the Chiloe peso is rare enough that only one genuine example is known and others sold at auction are counterfeits or forgeries. You can find pictures of it online, but it's unclear if they are pictures of the genuine coin or the fakes. Also, Carlos Jara's book on the subject only had 40 copies printed... so I'm hoping to snag a copy sometime in the next decade to learn more, lol. The Chiloe peso is one good example of a very rare coin in Chilean Numismatics. There is a very good article (to be found on-line, in Spanish, which describes this coin in some detail. There are a few examples among coins from Chile which are so rare that finding pictures of it is impossible. One good example is the 1 Escudo from 1832. I was looking for one for years and was unable to find even a good picture of it, until one day an example showed up at auction, (which I bought). I am sure that many similar examples exist in Latin America numismatics.
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