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Help Me Understand The Influence Of Toning/Patina On Value Of Bronze Coins

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 Posted 08/13/2022  2:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add HP2001PH to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Toning (or patina) on bronze coins is very common. It can be reddish brown, it can be dark brown, it can be homogeneous, it can have weird patterns. It removes the luster.

But what is its influence on the market value of a coin?

I am mainly looking at coins between roughly 1850-1950 here.
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08/13/2022 2:20 pm
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 Posted 08/13/2022  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What comes to my mind is just a matter of eye appeal.
A rich even chocolate dark brown on an old coin is most worthy to me- as in Conder Tokens.
Brown or red copper for U.S. one-cent coins appeal to buyers in different ways.
If you are selling, toning may influence a potential buyer's offer up or down.
Toning can make or break a sale.
So it's not a matter of how toning affects the market value.
Toning tells me if I want to buy or not.
I guess it could be said that poor toning would get a lesser price and rich toning could get just market value.
Toning is an odd factor to me.
Some people really go for rainbow colors on silver.
So much so there are those who fake toning.
I can say this about ancient Chinese cash.
Some cash I have were so corroded, you could not identify them, so they were soaked in acid to remove the "concrete".
But then the color was so way off from being natural, after they were identified, I used some items in the oven to get them at least back to somewhat of an acceptable brown color.
Toning can be much varied.
What comes to mind is that toning may be a personal choice or preference instead of a market value influencer.



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08/13/2022 3:51 pm
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 Posted 08/14/2022  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HP2001PH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your detailed answer. My question was specifically regarding bronze.

For example, I have here a french 5 centimes 1899, which is still nicely reflective and coppery. Not completely original, but 80% there. As a contrast I have a 10 centimes 1910, which is a dull homogneous brown, which only a hint of copperiness remaining at some edges. I personally find both coins attractive (they both have almost no wear or marks), but had suspected that a closer to mint state copy (here the 5 centimes) would be more desirable on the marketplace. Just wanted to hear some opinions or experiences on that.
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