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both the South and North depict themselves as just, strong, pure in faith etc. We also had a period in our history like this  Quote:
AFAICT this specific example is probably original.
I'm no expert, but I have a few of these from reputable Polish dealers that I assume to be authentic, and I've seen some posted on another forum that have the typical counterfeit tells like date and ruler not matching (not to mention the absence of any silver), so I agree yours looks good. A rather worn 1645 Brabant 1/4 patagon for today:   Edited by tdziemia
09/14/2023 08:19 am
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Ermine surrounded by six young Are those baby ermines or just tails of adults? I had been thinking the latter, but I'm happy to be corrected. Also, nice one @j1m! Here is a 3 Kreuzer from Austria (Hall mint) dated 1645 AD:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Livonia, Swedish occupation of
Christina (r. 1632-54)
billon solidus, 1645
this specific example is probably original. Agreed, this is an original. The Suceava copies are not well executed, more cartoonish in the rendering of the lion, for instance. Quote:Quote:
Ermine surrounded by six young Are those baby ermines or just tails of adults? I had been thinking the latter, but I'm happy to be corrected. Heraldic ermine tails, definitely. Lovely 3 kreuzers, Spence!  I have a couple of coins from 1644. Here is the first, a quarter ecu. France 1644, 1/4 ecu, Louis XIV, Paris (A). Silver, 6.9 g, 27 mm.  |
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heraldic ermine tails indeed nice portrait of young Louis XIV erafjel for 1644 I have two jetons from the Southern provinces: 1644 Dugn.3986 Brabant, Antwerpen mint 'trust in Providence' OBV: Hand emerging from the sky holds the globe 16hand44 REV: Crowned Habsburg coat of arms, golden fleece, GECTZ POVR LE BVREAV DES FINA  1644 Dugn.3990 'Charles Albert de Longueval, Duke of Bucquoy' Vz. coat of arms Bucquoy and Croy EX VTRAQVE GLORIA Kz. coat of arms of Hainaut 1644 INSIGNIA COMITATVS HANNONIE  |
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Very nice jetons, 1c5d7n5m! Here is Louis again, even smaller  France 1644, 1/48 ecu, Louis XIV, Paris (A). Silver, 0.57 g, 12.5 mm  A real tiny coin - there is no smaller coin minted in France after that. With the same silver fineness as the ecu (917/1000) and valued at only 15 deniers, it had to be that small. Despite its small size, it was not a completely insignificant coin - it would buy a pound of bread or a few eggs. It was minted only 1642-44 and probably wasn't very popular - it must have been really easy to lose. To get an idea of its size, here it is side by side with the larger denominations (and a dime):  |
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I'm taking a one day break from Austria to post this 4 Pfennig from the German town of Coesfeld. It is dated 1644 AD.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Wonderful 1/48 ecu! That's one that I am missing! Bravo!
Do you also have the variety with longer legends?
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Do you also have the variety with longer legends? No, too expensive for my taste! I would rather have a decent louis d'or for that money.  Speaking of, my final coin for this year: France 1644, louis d'or, Louis XIV, Paris (A). Gold, 6.75 g, 24.5 mm.  Towards the other end of the denomination spectrum, this louis d'or was valued at 10 livres (160 times more than the 1/48 ecu). |
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France 1643, ecu, Louis XIV, Paris (A).   The first ecu with the new king. Louis XIV ascended the throne in 1643, 5 years old, after his father, Louis XIII, had died from tuberculosis at the age of 41. One ecu was valued at 3 livres. With that you could buy 6 kilos of beef or one pheasant, depending on what you fancied. |
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Back to Austria for me with another 3 Kreuzer:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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That is a real beauty, Spence! France 1643, ecu, Louis XIII, Paris (A).   1643 also saw coins with Louis XIII. He was the one who introduced the silver ecu d'argent in 1641, together with the gold louis d'or. The ecu was made to correspond to the internationally accepted thaler, while the louis d'or was compatible with the Spanish double escudo (also called doubloon or pistole). |
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Beautiful coins the last two days! For 1643 I have a humble Livonian schilling:   |
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interesting to read about the purchasing power of money in those days for 1643 here are again 2 pieces from the Southern provinces where the tradition of 'metallic propaganda' (jetons claiming to be the justified party in the contest between North and South) lasted longer than in the Dutch republic; the North lost most of its interest in this channel since 1620  1643 Dugn.3983 Brabant, Brussels mint. 'Capture of Thionville' OBV golden fleece PHIL IIII D G HISP ET INDIAR REX Zc 16 head 43 REV coat of arms Habsburg with golden fleece GECTZ POVR LE BVREAV DES FINA  1643 Dugn.3985 Brabant, Brussels mint. 'Determination and Providence of Philip IV' VZ Philip IV on horseback PHIL IIII D G HISP ET INDIAR REX Zc head KZ Shield with head of Medusa & anchor on top of a sword and muscet GVBERNACVLIS the Medusa head was used as a symbol to scare off the enemy; gubernaculis (latin) means that each of the attributes are steering wheels/rudders for the course to follow Edited by 1c5d7n5m
09/16/2023 08:36 am
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France 1643, double tournois, Louis XIII, Corbeil (A).  In a temporary mint located in Corbeil, a bit south of Paris, the last royal double deniers* were minted in 1643. Two deniers tournois (1/360 of the ecu shown above) was becoming too small a sum to be useful for anything much. (Still, single deniers were minted until 1649.) * Double deniers valid only in Alsace and Saar were minted in Strasbourg by special decree 1696-1708. |
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Glad we have such a rich mix of humble and exorbitant pices being posted right now!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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