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in Stockholm in 1984, and indeed, I got to see this splendid museum (though I don't remember that decoration!) Then it is time for another visit!  In 1984 the ship was still housed in a temporary museum, without much more than the ship's hull visible, I think. Since 1990 it is located in a new museum, where there are also lots of additional information, models, and exhibitions. |
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One of the first 17th Century coins in my collection was this Duit from Overyssel (Netherlands). It started off life round, but has been harshly clipped at one point.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Cool coin! Why get a round duit (  ) when you can get a square one? I guess even copper is valuable enough to someone to take that risk. I'll start 1627 with another teston from the Duchy of Lorraine.   Edited by tdziemia
10/04/2023 07:44 am
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Why get a round duit Why indeed? This Lithuanian Schilling was minted at Vilno in 1627 AD. It's been in my collection for nearly 20 years, but it doesn't look like I've ever posted it here on CCF.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Here is one of my faves in my collection for 1626: a 1 Öre of Sweden struck at Säter. It is a hefty 27.6 g and measures 25 mm x 29 mm.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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1626 Brandenburg-Prussia 1 Dreipölker  |
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Duchy of Lorraine 1626 teston (photos of seller, Feydeau Bourse Numismatique):  As mentioned upthread, KM does not differentiate this type from the normal KM-45, but you decide:  |
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Here is a brother to @bd251's coin for today:   Inexplicably, I bought two of them when I was working on the 1600s. This is what happens when you don't keep good records of what you have in your collection.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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So many nice testons, dreipolkers, and other coins! Quote:
1 Öre of Sweden struck at Säter. This one I like particularly much, of course.  The Säter coins are sought after by Swedish collectors. The mint was active for only a couple of decades. It was set up in 1624 to use the output from the nearby Falu copper mine for minting. Silver had become scarce after Sweden had paid 1 million riksdaler (nearly 30 tons of silver) to Denmark a few years earlier to have the fort Älvsborg back after the most recent war with them. Älvsborg was at that time Sweden's only port on the west coast, and the only way to the North Sea that didn't go through Danish water and customs. So coins had to be minted from copper instead. The first few years of minting in Säter were troublesome for many reasons. No really competent mint master was available, which is one reason the coins were made square to begin with. From 1628 (with a more competent mint master in place), coins were made round. The Swedish name for these square coins is "klipping", which translates to something like "(made by) cutting", referring to how the blanks were cut out from metal strips. |
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Inexplicably, I bought two of them when I was working on the 1600s. Sometimes those dreipolkers are sold in lots ... maybe that's what happened? I will continue the parade parade of Sigismund III coins that started yesterday with this 1626 ort (1/4 thaler) struck in Gdansk (that parade will last well into November )   Edited by tdziemia
10/06/2023 08:42 am
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...and I will start 1625 with a teston from Lorraine struck by Charles and Nicole:   |
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...and I will start 1625 with a teston from Lorraine struck by Charles and Nicole: very nice teston, tdziemia. I love the doubled D, and also the little tail under the left serif on the rev side M. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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The Swedish name for these square coins is "klipping", which translates to something like "(made by) cutting", referring to how the blanks were cut out from metal strips. Yes very good additional information @era. In German (and sometimes English by osmosis) they are called "Klippe": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klippe_(coin)Quote:
Sometimes those dreipolkers are sold in lots ... maybe that's what happened? Well I wish it were such a reasonable explanation @tdz, but I bought one of them in 2003 and the second one in 2005.  Anyways, here is a similar piece dated 1625 AD. Starting tomorrow, I too will have about a week's worth of Polish and Lithuanian coins.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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In German (and sometimes English by osmosis) they are called "Klippe": Indeed. And according to the German Wikipedia page for Klippe, the origin of that internationally used word is the Swedish word! I had no idea we had made that contribution to the numismatic society. |
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