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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Here is a second Groschen, just minted one year prior:

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 Posted 12/25/2023  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one of the few last contributions I can make: a 1546 copper token of the guild of the porters, made in Antwerp, with an explicit mention of the date

OBV: under 1546 a wheelbarrow
legend GHEMAECKT INT IAER VAN (made in the year of)

REV: St. Andrew carrying cross; countermarked P
legend SANCTVS A NDREAS

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Back to the Hungarian Denars for me. This one is dated 1545 AD:

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1545 copper courte (2 mites) of the Duchy of Brabant, with an image of Emperor Charles V. It seems everyone was wearing the same style beard in the 1540s (even St. Andrew on 1c5d's coin)
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My 1500's dated coins are few and far between. But I'm waiting.
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I will move us to 1544 with this teston of the Duchy of Lorraine:
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This type features some very interesting construction of letters (engraver's shortcuts?):
- the H is formed from 2 Is with a "handlebar" connector
- the Ns are formed from two Is with a diagonal stroke added (possibly the first one he made looked so bad he just whacked it with something)
- the D has an open back
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great portrait of Antoine

here is a (holed) 1544 taler from Halberstadt, Germany, picturing Saint Stephen holding a palm tree branch and the stones he is going to be murdered with

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I post this piece, together with another Stephen's taler from Nijmegen (same period but not dated), in the thread "when all the Saints" iniated by Tdziemia




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@tdziemia teston ... Man! What a great piece ... the die variations / improvisations are really outstanding, adding much interest to the coin ...

@1c5d7n5m thaler ... what great detail & theme ... that's a keeper ...

...congrats to you both ...

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Quote:
My 1500's dated coins are few and far between. But I'm waiting.


Waiting to pounce, eh?
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For today I have this Schilling from the Lithuanian Order of Reval:

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Free imperial city of Besançon 1543 1/2 Batzen
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here a jeton from 1543 from Bruges in Flanders: 'Charles V making war' (his favorite hobby); it has the date on both sides

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OBV: Charles on his throne SVPER ASPIDEM ET BASILISCV AMBVLABIS 1543
REV: Eagle with two birds in its claws AQVILA PROVOCAT PVLLOS SVOS AD VOLANDVM 43
Dugniolle 1522
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Quote:
great portrait of Antoine

I never thought about this before, but that young portrait was first used on a Lorraine coin in 1512 (I think), when Antoine was 23. Unlike many other European sovereigns, the portrait was never changed as he aged, and by 1543 when he was painted by Hans Holbein, he looked comletely different from the portrait on his 1544 coin, with the "pageboy" style haircut gone, and instead wearing the long beard which had become fashionable:
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His grandson, Charles III became duke as a child in 1545, but his coins showed him ageing across 5 different portraits over the 50+ years of his reign.

For 1543, I am on the other (eastern) side of the Holy Roman Empire with this 1 groschen of the Duchy of Liegnitz-Brieg, which had just come under Hapsburg rule in 1526.
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Here is a Hungarian Denar from 1543 AD:


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For 1542 another groschen of the Duchy of Liegnitz-Brieg, but a different rendering of Frederick II's portrait:

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