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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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 Posted 02/23/2024  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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100% true. It took me years and years to find one.
And what a coin it was!

I didn't realize they were doing portraits on coins this good by 1491 - of saints, but still.
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We will see this same basic design quite a bit in the days to come.
Depends on what counts as "basic design"! Almost said that there won't be a lot of Mary, but of course Hungary (with its undated but frequently-changing types) has you covered there...
TIL that the Mariengroschen proper was actually not minted until 1505, and this Aachen type is only called that by analogy because it's a groschen with Mary on it.

(Also TIL that there's a different Aachen type from the same period featuring Mary and Charlemagne, on opposite sides of a cathedral.)
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 Posted 02/23/2024  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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of course Hungary (with its undated but frequently-changing types) has you covered there...


Indeed. Here is one such Denar that can be dated to 1489 AD:

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 Posted 02/24/2024  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same type as my previous coin, 1489 gros of the Duchy of Brabant:
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This was an interesting period in Low Countries coinage because the coins bear names of two generations of rulers (Philip on the obverse, Maximilian on the reverse).
Philip inherited the titles of Duke of Burgundy and Brabant, Count of Flanders, and so on, when his mother died tragically on a fall from her horse in 1482. As Philip was only 3 when that happened, a regency was established, with his father, Maximilian of Austria (later Holy Roman Emperor) as regent. Maximilian's name drops off the coins from 1492 I think.

I am now out until 1486.
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 Posted 02/25/2024  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my Half Stuiver from the Netherlands City of Nijmegen that is dated 1488 AD:

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 Posted 02/26/2024  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bd251 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Delhi Sultanate billon tanka AH 893 (1488 CE) GG-D690
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 Posted 02/26/2024  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Delhi Sultanate billon tanka AH 893 (1488 CE) GG-D690
Wow! That is thick!
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 Posted 02/26/2024  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bd251 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Wow! That is thick!

There is a wide variance in the diameter of these coins. This one is definitely my chunkiest one at 16.0-16.3mm and 9.36g I think I also have one that's more "normal."

I can go ahead and post 1487 since yesterday was 1488, right?
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I can go ahead and post 1487 since yesterday was 1488, right?
Yes!
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 Posted 02/26/2024  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bd251 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another Delhi tanka, dated AH 892 (1487 CE)
This one is 16.5-16.7mm, 9.25g
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 Posted 02/27/2024  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bd251, I don't know what's the norm for those tankas cause I've never looked for them, but those are really well-struck coins, nice clear dates.
For 1486 I have this undated mocenigo of the Republic of Venice under doge Marco Barbarigo.
He ruled from November 1485 - August 1486. So, I think our rules say it can get counted for 1486. (Still the seller's photos)
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 Posted 02/27/2024  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwiskers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tdziemia ... I like that coin ... great detail ...
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 Posted 02/27/2024  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Another Delhi tanka, dated AH 892 (1487 CE) This one is 16.5-16.7mm, 9.25g
Impressive!
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@bd251, I don't know what's the norm for those tankas cause I've never looked for them, but those are really well-struck coins, nice clear dates.


It hadn't really occurred to me until you mentioned it that strike weakness is not really something I've had to deal with when searching Indian Sultanates coins in general. Maybe it's because of the thicker flans used? As far as legible dates, one of the biggest problems is that many designs have the date close to the edge, and the date can go partially or completely missing. The most annoying is when there's just barely not enough of the date to say definitively what it is. I've passed on several similarly chunky tankas because the date was off flan.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For 1485 I have this undated double patard of the Duchy of Brabant struck under the regency of Philip the Handsome (Interestingly the legend just says that is coinage of the Archduke of Austria, Burgundy and Brabant, and Lord of Mechelen, without even mentioning his name!). Antwerp mint records say it was struck from April 12 to December 24, 1485.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another dated Half Stuiver from Nijmegen:

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