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As far as legible dates, one of the biggest problems is that many designs have the date close to the edge, and the date can go partially or completely missing. The most annoying is when there's just barely not enough of the date to say definitively what it is.  I feel your pain... here's my would-be 1487 that just barely didn't work out, which I'm not really supposed to post here but I don't have any proper entries until we get to 1452.    Shirvanshahs, Derbendi dynasty Farrukhsiyar (Farrukh Yasar), 1465-1500 AR tanga (third standard), Shemakha mint Album 2471.3, nominally Numista 88278Zlobin type 043.0, minted 892-4 AH [1487-9 AD] dated 89x AH - last digit, unfortunately, just off flan |
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1487 is a challenge for me, too. I try to stick to my main collecting themes (Low Countries, Saints ...) and the best option is a dated "double griffon" of Brabant but they are rather expemnsive. For 1484 I have a grosso of the Republic of FLorence which can be dated by the mintmaster's mark (Gerozio di Cambio di Medici) that's kind of levitating above Saint John's right hand.   Edited by tdziemia
03/01/2024 2:11 pm
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To compliment @tdz's coin for today, I have this Viennese Kreuzer with a two digit date. I have attributed it as Levinson IV-42.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Also from the general region of Austria is this Styrian Kreuzer dated 1483 AD. I have attributed it as Levinson IV-41.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I am undated again with another Florence grosso, mintmaster Giovani di Cante Compagni, first half of 1483:   |
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For 1484 I have a grosso of the Republic of FLorence which can be dated by the mintmaster's mark (Gerozio di Cambio di Medici) that's kind of levitating above Saint John's right hand. Quote:
I am undated again with another Florence grosso, mintmaster Giovani di Cante Compagni, first half of 1483: That Saint John is a hipster. On the 1484 grosso, he appears to be waving and saying g'day. The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Delhi Sultanate billon tanka AH 888 (1484 CE) GG-D690    16.4-17.0mm, 9.23g |
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Here is one of my 1482-dated coins, a Tornose from the German Archbishopric of Cologne. It was minted at Deutz and is attributed as Levinson I-178. Other than the slightly cut edge, the remaining detail is amazing to me.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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My last grosso, mintmaster Francesco di Tommaso Sasseti, 1st half of 1482:   Quote:
That Saint John is a hipster. On the 1484 grosso, he appears to be waving and saying g'day. I always thought the guy with hipster looks was Albrecht of Brandenburg (shaved head and long beard 475 years ago). |
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This Double Briquet from 1481 AD Brabant nicely shows the pair of lions. I seem to recall that this design element described the denomination, but perhaps someone like @tdz can confirm. I have attributed it as Levinson II-54.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I always thought the guy with hipster looks was Albrecht of Brandenburg (shaved head and long beard 475 years ago). Yes I see what you mean....He would fit right in with ZZ Top..  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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This Double Briquet from 1481 AD Brabant nicely shows the pair of lions. I seem to recall that this design element described the denomination, Probably 1c5d can comment, too, but yes, in 1474 Charles the Bold inaugurated a new design for the patard or stuiver denominations: - a 2 patard/stuiver featuring two lions with a "briquet" or firesteel between them (hence double briquet); - a 1 patard/stuiver with one lion holding a shield with the Burgundian coat of arms (I know we will see these shortly) - a half patard/stuiver with just the lion's head (these are somewhat rare). Here is my 1481 (single) briquet struck in Antwerp, nowhere near as nice as your nice sharp double:   |
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Yes I see what you mean....He would fit right in with ZZ Top.. |
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We don't usually do backtracks but considering how slowly we're going anyway maybe we should invite @Collects82 to post their 1482?
Because it's kinda awkward that I completely missed that it was their date and forgot to ping them, and it doesn't look like we're getting to 1382 anytime soon (though it would be really neat if we did make it there).
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I'll hold off on posting a 1480-dated coin until we hear from @jbuck about your idea. I personally am happy to have more participation, but it is their call not mine.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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