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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Jaunpur Sultanate billon tanka AH 821 (1418 CE) GG-J6
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Here is a French Gros dit Florette minted in Rouen. Based on the emission (second), it was started minting in October of 1417. I believe that the third emission began in March of 1419, but as we discussed earlier, there is some question as to when specific emissions ended.

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Jaunpur Sultanate billon tanka AH 819 (1416 CE) GG-J6
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Mamluk AR 1/2 Dirham AH 818 (1415 CE)
Album 992. Balog #691- N5. Zeno # 110827 & 326590

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Right . . . I think it is my turn.

France 1414, gros "aux lis sous une couronne", Rouen. Duplessy 384A.

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This coin is listed as 1413 in reference works, so it requires a bit of argumentation to make it 1414 (just as it did in the Sixth Edition ).

The ordonnance for the coin was issued Nov 3, 1413, but that does not mean that minting began on the morning of Nov 4. First, an order to manufacture coins must be issued. In the case of Rouen, which is the mint for my coin, that order was issued Dec 8, 1413. That was the day the king (or perhaps his secretary) dictated the order to the royal scribe. That hand written order had to be copied, by hand, for all who needed it. Maybe that takes just one day, so we have Dec 9. Rouen is about 140 km from Paris, where the king sits. The order has to be sent by use of a horseman, who in wintertime can not be expected to travel more than 30 km a day, so the trip to Rouen takes five days. The mint master in Rouen will in best case receive the order Dec 14 and act on it Dec 15. Removing at least two Sundays, it is only 7 work days left until Christmas Eve, which marks the start of the Twelve Days of Christmas, during which no work is performed by any good men.

There is no way that dies will be made ready and production started in such a short time. So under all reasonable assumptions, minting of these coins can start earliest Jan 1414! Add to that, that this is a single issue (no more manufacturing orders issued), which means that when the requested number of coins have been minted, no more are made. And starting in January, that end point will surely happen during 1414. (Numista even states demonetization to take place in June 1414.)
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Seeing has how this date was for yesterday, I am okay if someone wants to post their 1413/816 today.
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Ok then, here we go!

France 1413, gros "aux lis", Rouen. Duplessy 381.

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A single issue beginning June 1413, ending November same year.
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Thank you! That is a lovely example!

I wanted us to keep pace with catching the Sixth and did not want something silly like time zones to get in the way.
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Two great coins, erafjel.
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